Overrated?

Originally posted by wicker_man
Yet I still find it rich you saying he doesn't deserve to listein to them because his genre definition of their music doesn't sit well with you.

To be honest if I was asked to name rock bands Radiohead wouldn't be a name/band that comes into my head, but I'll be damned if anyone tells me what I should and shouldn't be listeining to on the account I don't want to call 'em a Rock band and wish to call 'em something else instead.

What you "wish" takes a back seat to what is.

When I'm angry, I really wish I was the Hulk, but guess what? I'm not the Hulk. As such, I am unable, unqualified and unlikely to be in a good position to say "I am the Hulk, because I wish I was him.". I really, really wish your point was good, for example.

Radiohead are a rock band, they're not a traditional rock band, but they're a rock band. The Cure aren't traditional rock, they're still rock though. Alternative rock is a broad genre, of which Radiohead are a part.

Regardless, you don't listen to Radiohead. You could if you wanted to, my opinion on what you deserve is irrelevant. I'm glad you don't, I'm glad Geshien doesn't.

-AC

Originally posted by jaden101
labels are a bit pointless when they start getting too focused and specific...i don't really see an need to go beyond the basics of rock, metal, hip-hop, classical etc...fair enough, some are there to give a little bit more of a guide as to what to expect in terms of tempo and style...indie (although this clearly has a different meaning in the UK than it does in the US), alternative, hard rock etc...but when it starts getting into "shoe-gaze" and "art rock" and other such nonsense then it starts getting pointless...

often it's a way for people to try and show they have some knowledge of what they're speaking about and more often than not it serves to do the complete opposite.

if you don't like a band then what other reason is there than not liking their music?...everything else is silly...like stopping liking a band because they've supposedly sold out...when the reality is they've just changed to a musical style you don't like

for me, with regards to Radiohead...i don't like the music...if i bothered to dig a little deeper into the themes and influences behind their music that may get me interested in those things...but it wouldn't make me like their music

so there may be people who would "get" radiohead if they liked their music...just as there is more than likely alot of people who DO like them but don't "get" them

When I think of 'getting' music, I think of it in a similar sense to 'getting' a joke, not the idea of going into the lyrics and such. I think many bands with quite complex music require more than a cursory browse for a listener to be able to make that assertion.

Radiohead, Tool, Faith No More, Mr. Bungle, NIN, Opeth, My Chemical Romance, Linkin' Park, Slipknot, The Killers, Deftones, RHCP, Pink Floyd, U2, etc.

So...how are Mr. Bungle overrated?

Most people would actually say "Who's he?".

-AC

Genius. Clever. Intense. Phuqued-up. Ground-breaking. Good.
There are artists who seemingly exist for the sole purpose of convincing stupid people that they are, or understand art that is, one or all of the above attributes. Bungle is one of these bands.

They're well known in many circles, and are influential to many other 'eclectic' artists. Also, idiots claim to love them just to appear 'cool' and 'intelligent', while in fact the crescendo of their intelligence is the equivalent to that of a castrated monkey. It's also a given that there are exceptions to the general rule of thumb.

They are a band that many have a tendancy to name-drop quite frequently, hence why I dubbed them to be 'overrated'.

Just for the record, many of those bands I listed I enjoy on a daily basis, including Mr. Bungle.

They're overrated because idiots name-drop them...rarely?

I'm baffled. I think you're mistaken, because as we know of the band, it's easy to forget that not many do, in the GRAND scheme of things.

-AC

Sigur Rós, RATM..
imo..

Originally posted by Mywi
Sigur Rós, RATM..
imo..

Daft Punk, too.. I think their music gets a lot more credit than it actually deserves..

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
When I think of 'getting' music, I think of it in a similar sense to 'getting' a joke, not the idea of going into the lyrics and such. I think many bands with quite complex music require more than a cursory browse for a listener to be able to make that assertion.

true...but not "getting" concepts and ideas behind music isn't neccessarily a barrier to enjoying it. where as not getting a joke would mean you wouldn't appreciate it. i'm sure there are plenty of thick people in the world who like bands who put alot of ideas and influences into their music...particularly bands who do it subtly such as radiohead, who have been as political as bands such as RatM but do it in a different way.

Iron Maiden.

Don't like them but everyone else seems to. 😬

lately...pendulum...i personally don't see the appeal..at all

and while we're on the subject of more recent examples...mark 'talentless bastard' ronson

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Iron Maiden.

Don't like them but everyone else seems to. 😬

I dislike Iron Maiden to a great extent.

Originally posted by jaden101
lately...pendulum...i personally don't see the appeal..at all

I agree with that, the tunes are so cheap yet catchy. Its alright to listen to in a car, maybe.

Originally posted by jaden101
true...but not "getting" concepts and ideas behind music isn't neccessarily a barrier to enjoying it. where as not getting a joke would mean you wouldn't appreciate it.

That's the point I'm making, though. The 'getting' that I refer to is similar to the getting of a joke. Unless you've written that first sentence in the opposite sense to what you said, which is that you can still appreciate the concepts (lyrical, effectively) behind the music without liking the actual sounds.

I wouldn't see it as a failing were someone not to know the motivations or meanings behind the lyrical content or philosophical leanings of a band.

Although to return to the comedy analogy, it'd be a bit like someone appreciating Stewart Lee's intellect, but not finding him funny.

On another note, this thread seems to be more about what overrated actually means.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
That's the point I'm making, though. The 'getting' that I refer to is similar to the getting of a joke. Unless you've written that first sentence in the opposite sense to what you said, which is that you can still appreciate the concepts (lyrical, effectively) behind the music without liking the actual sounds.

that's what i was getting at in my 1st point...that some bands...you can appreciate the message of the song is...particularly in songs which give a political or social commentary or message...and also appreciate that some artists try and incorporate certain influences into their music....influences that someone may like....but not neccessarily like the music itself

i can appreciate alot of Radiohead's points about consumerism and social apathy on ok computer...but i don't particularly like the music

and it obviously works the other way...there are people who can like the music without understanding or agreeing with the message.

again, with regards to me, i love john butler's music but alot of the time i can't stomach his hippy, save the world message.

The Beatles- i still like some of their songs though
U2-duh
ICP-like some of their song buuuuuuuuuuut yeah them fans they got....
Led Zepplin-yeah i said it!!!what you gonna do!?!?
Lynard Skynard-only like Freebird
Fall Out Boy-the band is basically Pete Wentznone
Lil' Wayne-damn coke head
Kanye West-hes not jesus hes not jesus 😂
Van Halen-post DLR

AC/DC are very overrated. Especially Back In Black.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
I dislike Iron Maiden to a great extent.

Disturbed, Led Zeppelin, Lil Wayne, T-Paine...