Ah alright, well, I think Blax problem is that he just took the popularity of the band at his school and figured it would be like that everywhere across the board. Personally I think that evaluating whether something is overrated is not only subjective, but also involves an amount of guesswork as to how they are rated in the first place...of course some methods to find that are better than others.
Originally posted by Final BlaxicanOh well, even better then. Makes sense. Though, you stating "Disturbed" initially, without explanation, is a bit confusing...an the thread is probably about a more general level.
That wasn't my point at all... I'm only talking about on a local level. I don't mean "Disturbed is overrated in general because in my area it's overrated". 😬
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri...that's not true. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was Paul McCartney's idea.
There're two major kinds of influence. Those who influence people and those who influence music. The Beatles influenced people, not music. The Beatles didn't change music in any way, really. Frank Zappa changed more than they did, he even gave them the idea for their most acclaimed album, Sgt. Peppers
Originally posted by Strangelove
...that's not true. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was Paul McCartney's idea.
The idea for a concept album came from Frank Zappa, and he was a heavy influence on the creation of that album.
http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/sgt-pepper/biography/its-influence
"Although the Beatles distanced themselves from the claim, many rock historians have dubbed Sgt Pepper the first in a long line of concept albums – when all the songs on an LP are linked by a theme. In the case of this release, the main device used was the running of songs together one after the other.
In fact, the Mothers of Invention's Freak Out pre-dated Sergeant Pepper and is considered by others to be the first concept album – a sneering farce about rock music and America as a whole. Paul McCartney has said it influenced Sgt Pepper considerably.".
Well now, whaddya know.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriOh, I thought you were saying they got the idea for the concept of Sgt. Pepper from Zappa, not the idea of a concept album in general. My bad.
The idea for a concept album came from Frank Zappa, and he was a heavy influence on the creation of that album.http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/sgt-pepper/biography/its-influence
"Although the Beatles distanced themselves from the claim, many rock historians have dubbed Sgt Pepper the first in a long line of concept albums – when all the songs on an LP are linked by a theme. In the case of this release, the main device used was the running of songs together one after the other.
In fact, the Mothers of Invention's Freak Out pre-dated Sergeant Pepper and is considered by others to be the first concept album – a sneering farce about rock music and America as a whole. Paul McCartney has said it influenced Sgt Pepper considerably.".
Well now, whaddya know.
-AC
Because the actual idea of the "Lonely Hearts Club Band" was McCartney. ermm
Re: Overrated?
Originally posted by geshien
List some bands you think are overrated, which btw doesn't necessarily mean you dislike them.And while there are bound to be opinions that make you go "What?!", lets keep it friendly.
Most of my favorite 80s bands are consider overrated by other people....such as U2 and REM.
For me bands like Tool, System of a Down, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and AC DC are overrated.
Overrated for me doesn't mean that they're bad. It's just that their fans consider them so friggin great and above that really makes it laughable. I personally don't dislike bands....their fanatics...yes, but not the bands.
Just a note, I agree that The Beatles are overrated, but anyone who says they "didn't actually change music" should probably take a listen to 'Revolution' and 'Helter Skelter', debatably two of the first 'hard rock'-like songs... ever. I mean, I know that bands like the Mothers of Invention and the Velvet Underground probably had a larger play in the evolution of Hard Rock overall, but you can't just say they didn't change music by judging their most cliched music.
Also have to take into account their influence and evolution of Psychedelic music. I'd say they really did change music, in a lot of ways.
Still overrated, though.
The idea of the other bands doing it 'better' is opinion, though. It is however, an opinion I agree with, so I won't say anything about that. I do, though, disagree that Proto-Metal was 'happening' as such in 1968, it was still being experimented with by a few bands, but wasn't catching much attention since not many bands wanted to rely on this new sound they'd discovered.
Hendrix, Cream, Free, etc. were advancing the sound of 'Hard Rock', but they didn't experiment with Proto-metal the way the Beatles did with the said two songs. 'Helter Skelter' was dubbed the heaviest and dirtiest sounding track of it's time, and it was still a year or so before bands like Black Sabbath started picking this sound up and making something more of it.
In that seemingly small way, I believe The Beatles did change and advance music beyond the way you stated. You may disagree, but that is what I believe from what I know.
Also, although unrelated, great sig. Killing Joke don't usually recieve the attention they deserve.