Wolverine and Colossus vs The Wrecking Crew

Originally posted by jinzin
Upgrades which are constantly proven to be circumstantial inconsisent or flat out irrelivent...
Sneak attack.. So what?

So merely just ignore them then? Bravo.

Originally posted by jinzin
You think his face isn't being ripped.. that's delusional... All I can even say about it... A coloring error.. and apparently a drawing one too. 🙄

Ok so where is his mask then? and where did the cloth come from on his claw? Yeah it's far more rational to assume Wolverine literally sliced his face in half, and the fact his "skin" is shredding like cloth. haha oh my.

Originally posted by jinzin
What part of PIS/CIS is Wolverine stabbing the crew?

And please, the entirety of your Herc/thor nonsense is based in PIS/CIS...

Clearly you're being bias here.

Clearly you havn't been reading my posts as I said several times Wolverine CAN cut the crew, but the instance with the scan on pg.2 is merely a colouring error.

Originally posted by jinzin
So instead he takes on all of them? Not sure what about that was supposed to convince me that this team CAN'T take the Crew. 😕

X team FTW.

Heh! Clearly you didn't read the scans as he was taking them on and was doing nothing to them other then being a nuiscance. He couldn't even beat one

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Is he saying that Thor and Herc empower the Crew via their essence and just being there? If so is he seriously saying that?

The wrecker has absorbed mjolnir energy just by gripping and wrestling thor over 2 decades ago.

HErc was in mortal formed when he fought them and the wrecking crew had ulik for help. Thor has also allowed himself to be beaten to build up hercs confidence and single handedly beat them down..

the wrecking crew also ambushed thor and the warrior three and were draining their god essence by merely having physical contact.

In another avenger thor fight the wrecking crew were absorbing photon and were charged when fighting thor. thor then just used his hammer to summon away their energy amp..

it is a running theme with the wrecking crew and their amping when facing thor.. they hardly if ever face him with just their standard power lvl's.

also no writer has said that wolverine and wrecker fight was a drawing error.... 😘

if ppl are going to keep spitting that out they need to show evidence and prove it. other wise i am getting a mod in here for trolling... 😬

aside from that scan with the wrecker and logan in the same story Rulk ripped logan's face off and it was drawn remarkably similar to how the wreckers skin was draped on logan's claws 📖

if The wrecker fight is a drawing error then so is Rulk's fight with logan 😮‍💨

I don't see how Logan and Colossus win here, tbh, not with forum rules in effect.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't see how Logan and Colossus win here, tbh, not with forum rules in effect.

what would the forum rules have to say here?

b/c no one here has even pointed out how a mortal hercules manhandled the wrecking crew and beat them senseless.. and in this fight colossus who is 100+ will be fighting and wont be depowered to herc's manageable lvls that he was in when he fought them in the comics. 😉

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
The wrecker has absorbed mjolnir energy just by gripping and wrestling thor over 2 decades ago.

Ummmm let's also ignore the little detail the Crew wern't able to seriously absorb energy and grow stronger till the 90's. Wrecker had to physically grab his hammer to do that, he doesn't get amped just being there

Also it was Thor that gave Wrecker the power, Wrecker didn't drain him

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1981_304_19.jpg

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
HErc was in mortal formed when he fought them and the wrecking crew had ulik for help. Thor has also allowed himself to be beaten to build up hercs confidence and single handedly beat them down..

As noted in Incredible Hercules, mortal Hercules is the same as immortal Hercules as they even fought to a stalemate in Hades. Single handly beat them down? Did he now? Because not one of them was ko'ed and what chased them off was Thor

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the wrecking crew also ambushed thor and the warrior three and were draining their god essence by merely having physical contact.

When was this?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
In another avenger thor fight the wrecking crew were absorbing photon and were charged when fighting thor. thor then just used his hammer to summon away their energy amp..

That's after their upgrade, which they havn't always had. They only got that ability not to long ago. So that example doesn't work

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
it is a running theme with the wrecking crew and their amping when facing thor.. they hardly if ever face him with just their standard power lvl's.

Wrong, even before their amping abilities Wrecker fights Thor with no strings attached

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-12.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-13.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-14.jpg
4. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-15.jpg
5. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-16.jpg
6. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-17.jpg
7. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-18.jpg
8. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-19.jpg
9. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-20.jpg

[i]Originally posted by Wild Shadoalso no writer has said that wolverine and wrecker fight was a drawing error.... 😘

if ppl are going to keep spitting that out they need to show evidence and prove it. other wise i am getting a mod in here for trolling... 😬

aside from that scan with the wrecker and logan in the same story Rulk ripped logan's face off and it was drawn remarkably similar to how the wreckers skin was draped on logan's claws 📖

if The wrecker fight is a drawing error then so is Rulk's fight with logan 😮‍💨

Horrible logic

Also no the Rulk and Wrecker scene were quite different.

Originally posted by -K-M-

As noted in Incredible Hercules, mortal Hercules is the same as immortal Hercules as they even fought to a stalemate in Hades.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what would the forum rules have to say here?

b/c no one here has even pointed out how a mortal hercules manhandled the wrecking crew and beat them senseless.. and in this fight colossus who is 100+ will be fighting and wont be depowered to herc's manageable lvls that he was in when he fought them in the comics. 😉

Immortal Hercules you mean and he had assistance with Thor, and 3 members of the Crew beat mortal Hercules who is stated in Incredible Hercules not to long ago to be immortal Hercules equal.

Originally posted by Mindset
Aside from this instance, which version has better feats?

Immortal because he's obviously been around far longer.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what would the forum rules have to say here?

No PIS, characters fighting at optimal levels outside of a specific version being used. Seriously, Bendis' Crew may as well GTFO because in comparison to other writers' take on them, they epic fail big time.

Originally posted by -K-M-
So merely just ignore them then? Bravo.

I see we are going to be debating using Mungi's Crew again.. Sigh...

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ok so where is his mask then? and where did the cloth come from on his claw? Yeah it's far more rational to assume Wolverine literally sliced his face in half, and the fact his "skin" is shredding like cloth. haha oh my.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Clearly you havn't been reading my posts as I said several times Wolverine CAN cut the crew, but the instance with the scan on pg.2 is merely a colouring error.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Heh! Clearly you didn't read the scans as he was taking them on and was doing nothing to them other then being a nuiscance. He couldn't even beat one

He was being a nuiscance: Also true... And.. he was being a MAJOR one, leaving them open for all sorts of attacks or counters..

You add in Colossus ' strength or Wolverine's claws and you would have one messed up crew..yknow like the second time they fought.. 😕

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No PIS, characters fighting at optimal levels outside of a specific version being used. Seriously, Bendis' Crew may as well GTFO because in comparison to other writers' take on them, they epic fail big time.

good post shadow.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
The wrecker has absorbed mjolnir energy just by gripping and wrestling thor over 2 decades ago.

HErc was in mortal formed when he fought them and the wrecking crew had ulik for help. Thor has also allowed himself to be beaten to build up hercs confidence and single handedly beat them down..

the wrecking crew also ambushed thor and the warrior three and were draining their god essence by merely having physical contact.

In another avenger thor fight the wrecking crew were absorbing photon and were charged when fighting thor. thor then just used his hammer to summon away their energy amp..

it is a running theme with the wrecking crew and their amping when facing thor.. they hardly if ever face him with just their standard power lvl's.

also no writer has said that wolverine and wrecker fight was a drawing error.... 😘

if ppl are going to keep spitting that out they need to show evidence and prove it. other wise i am getting a mod in here for trolling... 😬

aside from that scan with the wrecker and logan in the same story Rulk ripped logan's face off and it was drawn remarkably similar to how the wreckers skin was draped on logan's claws 📖

if The wrecker fight is a drawing error then so is Rulk's fight with logan 😮‍💨

Originally posted by jinzin
How can I ignore what does not exist?

I see we are going to be debating using Mungi's Crew again.. Sigh...

haha let's ignore the details were ON-PANEL they have stated to be upgraded then? Compelling

Originally posted by jinzin
His skin is shredding like something that's just been shredded no need to make foregone conclussions which are unsupported by only your own opinion.
It's far more rational to assume Wolverine cut into his face than it is to assume that his mask is somehow extended to being inside of his mouth. 😐

Wow, no. A blade does not shred skin like that, that's a fact. Care to explain where his mask is then? Or the cloth on Wolverine's claw? Do I think he cut him? Sure, but not to the extent you people are saying

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh yeah I have been. You're just not following me... What part of Wolverine kicking the Crews ass is CIS/PIS as you claimed?

Because in the same story punches from Spider-Man, Ronin, Wolverine (not claw), Cage eas making them cough up blood. Thor and Hercules couldn't do what they did. By the very definition of the rules of the board that's PIS/CIS which as said Bendis Crew is not peak Crew.

Originally posted by jinzin
He was taking them on: True.

He was being a nuiscance: Also true... And.. he was being a MAJOR one, leaving them open for all sorts of attacks or counters..

You add in Colossus ' strength or Wolverine's claws and you would have one messed up crew..yknow like the second time they fought.. 😕

Major nuiscance? Heh! Iron Fist didn't even believe he could take them and said he was bluffing when ever he talked to them. He did nothing to them, while IF knew he was in serious trouble

Let's ignore their (Crew) other abilities then brute strength shall we?

Originally posted by jinzin
good post shadow.

Sure if you ignore the detail he took things out of context or inaccurately said things *shrugs*

Originally posted by -K-M-

Immortal because he's obviously been around far longer.

What feats, besides that one, put mortal and immortal on equal footing?

Originally posted by jinzin
So then you use Optimal levels for the crew and ignore the otimal levels of the X-team to be regarded as PIS.. yeah... sounds fair...

Where do I say the X-Team's feats are PIS or even imply as much?

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, how about this.

What feats, besides that one, put mortal and immortal on equal footing?

Well technically Hercules is still mortal Hercules, the writers merely just blurred the lines until outright said he became immortal again till recently. Even Leo a rather large fan of Hercules has said the same thing.

the modern Underworld fight with both Hercs doesnt retroactively rewrites what the past writer showed and depicted with a mortal hercules. we know the writer intended and wrote herc to be severely depowered which he was. do we know to what lvl's? no.

but to try and claim that the modern writer has the power to negate an already shown feat and written intention of a past writer is one hell of a poor argument with no merit........

if we use ur logic:

spiderman was always a 10 tonner..

the thing was never a 5 tonner in his early appearance but was always a 100 tonner...

Originally posted by -K-M-
Well technically Hercules is still mortal Hercules, the writers merely just blurred the lines until outright said he became immortal again till recently. Even Leo a rather large fan of Hercules has said the same thing.

Anyway, is there any clear evidence from separate feats they were equal?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the modern Underworld fight with both Hercs doesnt retroactively rewrites what the past writer showed and depicted with a mortal hercules. we know the writer intended and wrote herc to be severely depowered which he was. do we to what lvl's? no.

but to try and claim that the modern writer has the power to negate an already shown feat and written intention of a past writer is one hell of a poor argument with no merit........
if we use ur logic:

spiderman was always a 10 tonner..

the thing was never a 5 tonner in his early appearance but was always a 100 tonner...

It's called a retcon champ look it up.

Horrible logic as SPider-Man has shown on-panel to get an upgrade making him stronger then class 10, same with Thing which as stated even recently in Fantastic Four he is gettinger stronger with time.

Originally posted by Mindset
So how is he still technically mortal, you mean was?

Anyway, is there any clear evidence from separate feats they were equal?

On-panel they never showed him becoming immortal again (as far as I remember), that's where the confusion begins. I remember this issue has been discussed several times here.

Far as I know no, but as noted in Incredible Hercules their the same.

Originally posted by -K-M-
It's called a retcon champ look it up.

Horrible logic as SPider-Man has shown on-panel to get an upgrade making him stronger then class 10, same with Thing which as stated even recently in Fantastic Four he is gettinger stronger with time.

i know what a retcon is. i also know retcons do not negate the characters showings unless it is completely rewritten in a new retelling story..

which is why in forum battles we explain which character and at one time and era or even storyline we are using for a fight...

If some one was to say classic thor or 80's herc we use what he was written as... we dont say he is stronger or weaker using newer stories..

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dont patronize me next time. 😬

also thx jinzin i always appriciate anything you have to say in threads