Originally posted by ultimatethor
Bill is pretty powerful no doubt about that, but i still dont see him getting a majority over superman and especially not surfer. Though he would give them a good fight.
I agree with surfer even though I think surfer would only get a 6 out of 10 from him but I the reason I give I think that brb can get a majority over superman is due to the fact that with mljonir he hits harder then titus, despero, and konvikt, and all of them has one shotted superman and he's also a magical based being, so all of his hits would not only be as powerful as the 3 that I named but it'll also be dipped in magic.
Not only that but he's also about the only one in this battle that has proven himself to be a "PHYSICAL" planet destroyer, hell the guy destroyed two planets in one comic and boast about it in almost all of his appearances.
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW is the weak link imo.
Wonder woman is by far not one of the weakest on the field, she could defeat almost anyone on the opposing team besides surfer and I could give a 6/10 against two on the opposing team.
She underrated on this forum and has proven time and time again that she can hang and defeat the best of them.
Originally posted by carver9Who do you give her the majority against on team 2? Im not saying she gets crushed but she would lose the majority against anyone out of ten matches on team 2.
Wonder woman is by far not one of the weakest on the field, she could defeat almost anyone on the opposing team besides surfer and I could give a 6/10 against two on the opposing team.She underrated on this forum and has proven time and time again that she can hang and defeat the best of them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Who do you give her the majority against on team 2? Im not saying she gets crushed but she would lose the majority against anyone out of ten matches on team 2.
I give her a majority over sentry, I use to think that sentry was a god but his recent showings is making me think otherwise.
I also give her a majority over superman, her reflexes is faster then his and she is just as strong and almost as durable. The thing that change the tide in her favor is not only is she his equal but she is by far the better fighter out of the two, she is superman with martial arts and better reflexes. Her ability to take huge amounts of blunt force would put a lot of weight on superman. I hate her character but I give her respect where its due.
I also give her a majority over hal (forgot about him), his constructs has been nothing. I could see wonder woman pressuring him with powerful blow on is shields until it start to break which would lead to a easy ko.
Again she is underrated, she prove that she can fight a amped superman while holding back but you all threw it out of the window, I'll never understand.
Originally posted by carver9I dont know how you could give her a majority over either. Supes or Sentry going all out would close and break her in two.
I give her a majority over sentry, I use to think that sentry was a god but his recent showings is making me think otherwise.I also give her a majority over superman, her reflexes is faster then his and she is just as strong and almost as durable. The thing that change the tide in her favor is not only is she his equal but she is by far the better fighter out of the two, she is superman with martial arts and better reflexes. Her ability to take huge amounts of blunt force would put a lot of weight on superman. I hate her character but I give her respect where its due.
I also give her a majority over hal (forgot about him), his constructs has been nothing. I could see wonder woman pressuring him with powerful blow on is shields until it start to break which would lead to a easy ko.
Again she is underrated, she prove that she can fight a amped superman while holding back but you all threw it out of the window, I'll never understand.
She hid from Supes and used trickery and fled the scene to have a chance. That isnt the same as taking him head on.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont know how you could give her a majority over either. Supes or Sentry going all out would close and break her in two.She hid from Supes and used trickery and fled the scene to have a chance. That isnt the same as taking him head on.
I guess you didnt read the point of her attack, she wasnt there to kill superman, she was there to slow him down which is what she did and how is using her speed being tricky, so if flash fought superman and winked out on him its trickery. She used her abilities and got a advantage out of it. Now I can understand if she fled the battle field then that would have been a different story. If anyone cheated it was superman since he blitzed a none aware wonder woman in the beginning flying her to the sun. I guess in her fight with superman you was expecting her to kill him well if you wanted that how about when superman flew to max lord palace when wonder woman was choking max lord and she took off her tiara cutting supermans throat before he could even get the chance to react; you do know that she could have easily pressed her attack. Superman was busy holding his throat.
Again I use to think that sentry was a beast and was the best out there on the field but again his recent showings has changed my mind. Unlike a lot of people on here I go by on panel proof and on panel wonder has shown that she could take sentry for now.
Wonder woman is just as strong as both, just as durabile, has faster reflexes by far and is a much better fighter and much better fighter and has magic on her side that could affect both.
Originally posted by carver9I know she wasnt there to. That doesnt mean she can trade blows with Superman and their fight showed how physically superior he is to her.
I guess you didnt read the point of her attack, she wasnt there to kill superman, she was there to slow him down which is what she did and how is using her speed being tricky, so if flash fought superman and winked out on him its trickery. She used her abilities and got a advantage out of it. Now I can understand if she fled the battle field then that would have been a different story. If anyone cheated it was superman since he blitzed a none aware wonder woman in the beginning flying her to the sun. I guess in her fight with superman you was expecting her to kill him well if you wanted that how about when superman flew to max lord palace when wonder woman was choking max lord and she took off her tiara cutting supermans throat before he could even get the chance to react; you do know that she could have easily pressed her attack. Superman was busy holding his throat.Again I use to think that sentry was a beast and was the best out there on the field but again his recent showings has changed my mind. Unlike a lot of people on here I go by on panel proof and on panel wonder has shown that she could take sentry for now.
Wonder woman is just as strong as both, just as durabile, has faster reflexes by far and is a much better fighter and much better fighter and has magic on her side that could affect both.
She left the battlescene which means she lost according to forum rules. On a forum fight she cant flee the scene.
WW is nowhere near as strong as Superman or Sentry. She relies moreso on her skills.
Where are you getting she is just as durable?
Dude,sentry took on the WW Hulk and burned him out taking his blows. Supes briefly knocked her out and easily broke her wrist.
You are way off here and overrating WW.
Originally posted by quanchi112
She left the battlescene which means she lost according to forum rules. On a forum fight she cant flee the scene.
I don't know why it's so hard for you to grasp that this wasn't a forum fight. His objective was to take her out. Her objective was to break Lord's hold over him, which REQUIRED HER TO FIND LORD. THIS WASN'T A FORUM FIGHT. You want this fight to be something that it is not.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I don't know why it's so hard for you to grasp that this wasn't a forum fight. His objective was to take her out. Her objective was to break Lord's hold over him, which REQUIRED HER TO FIND LORD. THIS WASN'T A FORUM FIGHT. You want this fight to be something that it is not.
Agreed. It was also stated that Superman was not holding back. And Diana was (although barely). And still she was able to get several good shots in, even knocking him down and skidding about thirty feet away, causing a huge ditch in the ground. Supes is definitely stronger than Diana, but not by that much.
And again, she was holding back while he was not.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I know she wasnt there to. That doesnt mean she can trade blows with Superman and their fight showed how physically superior he is to her.She left the battlescene which means she lost according to forum rules. On a forum fight she cant flee the scene.
WW is nowhere near as strong as Superman or Sentry. She relies moreso on her skills.
Where are you getting she is just as durable?
Dude,sentry took on the WW Hulk and burned him out taking his blows. Supes briefly knocked her out and easily broke her wrist.
You are way off here and overrating WW.
Huh, quanchi, you are so hard to debate with because you turn a comic into something that you want it to be. I cant believe that I'm explaining this to you again and that fight that wonder woman and superman was in wasnt a forum fight, it was a comic so stop bringing up fleeing equals a lost.
She fled because again she wasnt there to kill superman, she was there to stop max lord which is what she did and slow superman down which she did. Superman didnt a advantage that entire fight, the only time he had a advantage was when they were in space, on earth she had a complete advantage and again she was holding back.
Where are you getting your info from, superman has admitted so many times that wonder woman is his equal when it comes to strength thats why she aided in moving the earth and the moon with superman, thats why superman asked her for help with konvikt, thats why she stalemated amazo, thats why she did better against titus then anyone on the jla including superman.
Sentry right now would get his ass whipped by wonder woman if they fought due to his recent showings. If you asked me who could beat sentry a month ago I would have said noone but sentry has been crushed lately and right now is comparable to people like colossus. I hate what marvel has done to him.
I agree when it comes to sharpnels, superman>wonderwoman but when it comes to blunt force soak wonderwoman is the best out there to take that kind of damage.
Originally posted by SasaraixxThe fight proved to me she cant hang with him. Thats the point. She can flee and hide and such. Head on she'll get wreked.
I don't know why it's so hard for you to grasp that this wasn't a forum fight. His objective was to take her out. Her objective was to break Lord's hold over him, which REQUIRED HER TO FIND LORD. THIS WASN'T A FORUM FIGHT. You want this fight to be something that it is not.
Originally posted by EnyalusHe is more durable and is stronger than her enough to be able to ko her. I dont think she could ko him.
Agreed. It was also stated that Superman was not holding back. And Diana was (although barely). And still she was able to get several good shots in, even knocking him down and skidding about thirty feet away, causing a huge ditch in the ground. Supes is definitely stronger than Diana, but not by that much.And again, she was holding back while he was not.
Originally posted by carver9The reason I bring it up is because she cant flee from him here.
Huh, quanchi, you are so hard to debate with because you turn a comic into something that you want it to be. I cant believe that I'm explaining this to you again and that fight that wonder woman and superman was in wasnt a forum fight, it was a comic so stop bringing up fleeing equals a lost.She fled because again she wasnt there to kill superman, she was there to stop max lord which is what she did and slow superman down which she did. Superman didnt a advantage that entire fight, the only time he had a advantage was when they were in space, on earth she had a complete advantage and again she was holding back.
Where are you getting your info from, superman has admitted so many times that wonder woman is his equal when it comes to strength thats why she aided in moving the earth and the moon with superman, thats why superman asked her for help with konvikt, thats why she stalemated amazo, thats why she did better against titus then anyone on the jla including superman.
Sentry right now would get his ass whipped by wonder woman if they fought due to his recent showings. If you asked me who could beat sentry a month ago I would have said noone but sentry has been crushed lately and right now is comparable to people like colossus. I hate what marvel has done to him.
I agree when it comes to sharpnels, superman>wonderwoman but when it comes to blunt force soak wonderwoman is the best out there to take that kind of damage.
Do you really think she is his equal in strength? Post the scan. Thats like me saying Odin is omnipotent and posting a scan with another character saying as much and acting like thats proof.
Disagree entirely. Sentry still has good showings and that cant be ignored. Physically he and Supes are greater than her. She isnt trading blows with WW Hulk like the Sentry did and has proven on panel that she cant trade blows with Superman.