Orion,Thor,Wonder Woman,Beta Ray Bill vs. Superman,Silver Surfer, Hal Jordan, Sentry

Started by Raoul15 pages
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I know for a fact SS has never been shown to ultalize speed in the same manner someone like Supes/flash or quicksilver has...that is the only assertion im making.

and do you have anything to back that up?

Surfer and Orion have more than speed on their side. They're are far too versatile for WW. Her combat speed is not different than theirs anyway.

Originally posted by Raoul
and do you have anything to back that up?

I've never seen Surfer move in combat like a hand to hand character on part with Those characters that he's mentioned.

Originally posted by Raoul
and do you have anything to back that up?

When Orion fought agaisnt DS in nothing but a peer h2h bout, Orion never ultilized speed in the same manner somone like Diana did when she fought past a group of warrior women at superspeed(you know with after images and all that sutff..like flash or supes). The only thing orion did was propel his body in spurts as did DS.

When SS has been cut off from the PC, or even in sitatuations when he resorted to simple blast and what not...he never moved and attack like how supes did agaisnt the imperix probe or even like quicksilver did when he blitz scott. In all of his battles againt Thanos has he ever ultalized speed in combat..or agaisnt Odin and tyrant?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im not really making any huge accusations though, I said Orion wasn't a fast as somone like supes or flash in terms of combat speed and that he could only prople his boyd in spurts to achieve a very"light"version of superspeed h2h. I know for a fact SS has never been shown to ultalize speed in the same manner someone like Supes/flash or quicksilver has...that is the only assertion im making.

Actually the claims were...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Don't really know how SS fights smarter lol, if anything Norrin is the worst case of CIS u will find in comics today. Sur ehe has versatilit, if orion doesnt have the harness I could give it to SS....but orion has S beat in MA,physical strength and combat speed . Diana has the combat speed ,MA advantage and yes...has better mobility . SS only really goes fast when traveling, really isnt any shinning examples of SS combat speed to be honest.

And no.... you didn't provide proof to support any of it.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
When Orion fought agaisnt DS in nothing but a peer h2h bout, Orion never ultilized speed in the same manner somone like Diana did when she fought past a group of warrior women at superspeed(you know with after images and all that sutff..like flash or supes). The only thing orion did was propel his body in spurts as did DS.

When SS has been cut off from the PC, or even in sitatuations when he resorted to simple blast and what not...he never moved and attack like how supes did agaisnt the imperix probe or even like quicksilver did when he blitz scott. In all of his battles againt Thanos has he ever ultalized speed in combat..or agaisnt Odin and tyrant?

wait. are you saying quicksilver's combat speed > surfer's?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
When Orion fought agaisnt DS in nothing but a peer h2h bout, Orion never ultilized speed in the same manner somone like Diana did when she fought past a group of warrior women at superspeed(you know with after images and all that sutff..like flash or supes). The only thing orion did was propel his body in spurts as did DS.

When SS has been cut off from the PC, or even in sitatuations when he resorted to simple blast and what not...he never moved and attack like how supes did agaisnt the imperix probe or even like quicksilver did when he blitz scott. In all of his battles againt Thanos has he ever ultalized speed in combat..or agaisnt Odin and tyrant?


When he fought Lunatik he used speed, when he fought the Hulk he used speed, when he fought Nova he used speed...

Yeah quicksilver has faster combat speed then SS.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Yeah quicksilver has faster combat speed then SS.

wow. i'm sorry, but that is just plain reaching... quicksilver (back then) wasn't that particularly impressive...

sure, compared to people like scott, he was fast, but someone like surfer would annihilate him speed wise...

i hate surfer threads, i really do... not cos i hate the surfer, or anything...

Originally posted by darthgoober
When he fought Lunatik he used speed, when he fought the Hulk he used speed, when he fought Nova he used speed...

I saw the fights, it wasn't the same in the examples I provided.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I saw the fights, it wasn't the same in the examples I provided.

They were equal to those of Orion. Start posting feats of his and we'll do a side by side comparison.

Originally posted by Raoul
wow. i'm sorry, but that is just plain reaching... quicksilver (back then) wasn't that particularly impressive...

sure, compared to people like scott, he was fast, but someone like surfer would annihilate him speed wise...

i hate surfer threads, i really do... not cos i hate the surfer, or anything...

Im not saying QS is faster then SS, just that he has faster combat speed like when he blitz scott from mulitple sides with punches. Combat speed is a very simple concept u know.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They were equal to those of Orion. Start posting feats of his and we'll do a side by side comparison.

Sure, post these supposed combat speed feats?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im not saying QS is faster then SS, just that he has faster combat speed like when he blitz scott from mulitple sides with punches. Combat speed is a very simple concept u know.

i know what combat speed is. if quicksilver's was so impressive, he would have not been tagged by cyclops, yet he was...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Sure, post these supposed combat speed feats?

Oh no no... it's your claim that Orion's faster, you start. This way I can post an appropriate feat of Surfer's to match it.

So raoul if u know what combat speed as provided by flash,qs and supes then u know SS can't fight like. Agaisnt Panther he never used his speed and especially agaisgnt Thanos.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So raoul if u know what combat speed as provided by flash,qs and supes then u know SS can't fight like. Agaisnt Panther he never used his speed and especially agaisgnt Thanos.

the panther issue was bullshit. it's as valid as using the latest jla. both were written by mcduffie.

does thanos not have combat speed?

Originally posted by Raoul
the panther issue was bullshit. it's as valid as using the latest jla. both were written by mcduffie.

does thanos not have combat speed?


He knows that, Bada's already warned him a couple of times for continually citing the armbar as proof of Surfer having no super speed to speak of.

And Thanos has enhanced reflexes, but not actual super speed.

Thanos is a brick in every possible way, somone like DS can propel his body just as Orion can...SS has yet to display Supes/flash level h2h speed.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Thanos is a brick in every possible way, somone like DS can propel his body just as Orion can...SS has yet to display Supes/flash level h2h speed.

Feats of Orion's?