Sephiroth vs. Ultimecia

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats because people are made from the lifestream, hence why sephiroth once he has the negative stream can create entities.

People in FF7 are born just like everyone else. Even if they are directly made from lifestream such as Kadaj and crew, the molecular structure and everything is exactly the same, the skin is no longer lifestream it is SKIN just like Ultimecias.

Originally posted by Burning thought
nah, shes got no lifestream in her.

That doesn't matter, the cells don't just infect lifestream or spirit energy they infect the physical part. Saying the skin was created a different way doesn't change anything it is skin!

I understand what you are trying to say, errrrr lifestream makes things that makes them different but no, no it doesn't being created differently doesn't change the molecular makeup or give some sort of weakness.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Geostigma for the example works on spirit energy, Jenova cells infect the lifestream and when the lifestrream came out to stop meteor people also got infected. The body of the people infected try to stop the infectio nthe same way lifestream stopped meteor, hence the sickness and how Sephiroth controls the neg lifestream/geostigma people.

What?

Originally posted by Burning thought
No its a stream of spirit energy within the planet, abstract is what the spirit is in our world.

*sigh*

I disagree. People have forgotten the viral way of Jenova if Ultimecia absorbed Sephiroth...Ultimecia would most likely be under control of Sephiroth.

If Sephiroth is absorbed, he would form part of Ultimecia before he could raise a hand, so I don't think so. Ultimecia was absorbing the Time and Space, also Stars and planets, Sephiroth would be consumed in 1 second. It seems there still people who underestimates Ultimecia's powers... Too bad.

Sephiroth could also extract and materialize something from her thoughts

Huh? Since when Sephiroth is able to perform that ability? Sorry, but Sephiroth can't do that...

I don't know how relevent it is but Ultimacia could possess people who resisted Time Compression through sheer will-power. Its highly unlikely that something could possess her, if thats what Sephiroth tries.

The fact is that Sephiroth can't do what Ultimecia can do. So I don't know what he tried to say with: "Sephiroth can extract and materialize things from thoughts".

Ultimecia's powers are beyond Sephiroth's, simple as that.

Sephiroth has no hope of surviving against Time Compression Ultimecia. The FF VIII characters would have been completely erased before even facing her if it weren't for the lame PIS of love and friendship protecting them. If Sephiroth even tried to fight her she would simply erase him from all spacetime, it wouldn't just be Sephiroth is gone, it would be Sephiroth never existed.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sephiroth has no hope of surviving against Time Compression Ultimecia. The FF VIII characters would have been completely erased before even facing her if it weren't for the lame PIS of love and friendship protecting them. If Sephiroth even tried to fight her she would simply erase him from all spacetime, it wouldn't just be Sephiroth is gone, it would be Sephiroth never existed.

And some people still say he's better than her.

If someone said Sephiroth was Badass: HELL YEAH!

If someone said that Sephiroth was a threat to space-time and the general concept of existence itself: HELL NO!

Sephiroth has no chance, no hope, not even a prayer. Seriously, I know Sephiroth is overrated but c'mon this is too much.

He may be better than her.
In popularity.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
If Sephiroth is absorbed, he would form part of Ultimecia before he could raise a hand, so I don't think so. Ultimecia was absorbing the Time and Space, also Stars and planets, Sephiroth would be consumed in 1 second. It seems there still people who underestimates Ultimecia's powers... Too bad.

Huh? Since when Sephiroth is able to perform that ability? Sorry, but Sephiroth can't do that...

Why would he need to raise a hand, viral is the way of Jenova, his will would still exist even if she absorbed him and all his Jenova cells.

Rofl, Sephiroth has Mime\Mimic the ability to read minds\memories and he has the Negative Lifestream which can be used to materialise things, for example his sword.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't know how relevent it is but Ultimacia could possess people who resisted Time Compression through sheer will-power. Its highly unlikely that something could possess her, if thats what Sephiroth tries.

I wouldn't call it possess, if she absorbs him she has Jenova cells in her. It's like the Jenova infection that pretty much wiped out the creators of magic in FF7. It would be a battle of wills between Ultimecia and Sephiroth for control of the body.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sephiroth has no hope of surviving against Time Compression Ultimecia. The FF VIII characters would have been completely erased before even facing her if it weren't for the lame PIS of love and friendship protecting them. If Sephiroth even tried to fight her she would simply erase him from all spacetime, it wouldn't just be Sephiroth is gone, it would be Sephiroth never existed.

What? When did she ever erase someone from space and time?

TC Ultimecia controls all of space and all of time, she could erase anyone and anything she wished. Notice the stars being sucked into her in the final battle, this is her absorbing all the universe after compressing time to a single point.

She does not control it all.

She didn't compress time all on her own, even though she does have very good time manipulation feats.

I know she was absorbing the universe, but that doesn't mean she could just make anyone cease to exist.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Why would he need to raise a hand, viral is the way of Jenova, his will would still exist even if she absorbed him and all his Jenova cells.

Rofl, Sephiroth has Mime\Mimic the ability to read minds\memories and he has the Negative Lifestream which can be used to materialise things, for example his sword.

You must be joking, you are claiming that Sephiroth would be able to exist after being absorbed? Why we don't take in consideration Ultimecia's words:

-"I am Ultimecia. Time shall compress...All existence denied."

Existence is denied, after being absorbed, Sephiroth is DEAD.

He can read minds? So? Ultimecia, can do it as well and through Time. You claimed that Sephiroth could extract something from Ultimecia's mind, Sephiroth can't do such thing. Don't invent things to elevate him above his true abilities.

Ultimecia on the other hand can extract things from someone's mind. Creating the ultimate GF out of the minds of her oppenant and later creating the most powerful magical attack out of her own mind.

Fascist remember that talk we had about Sephiroth??? This applies here.

My gamer-sense is telling me Ultimecia dominates Sephiroth...

This is slowly becoming a stomp thread. Had Sephiroth actually completed his goal, he would have turned into the Final Fantasy version of Galactus and posed more o a challenge. However since he didn't, he gets shot down by an actual universal threat.

Ultimecia would still surpass him. Without mentioning that if Ultimecia would have completed her goal she would be able to be at Chaos level. Her goal was to become a Goddess, the existence itself.

She reminded me a lot of Nobunaga Oda, especially with the failed sniper scene...

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
You must be joking, you are claiming that Sephiroth would be able to exist after being absorbed? Why we don't take in consideration Ultimecia's words:

-"I am Ultimecia. Time shall compress...All existence denied."

Existence is denied, after being absorbed, Sephiroth is DEAD.

He can read minds? So? Ultimecia, can do it as well and through Time. You claimed that Sephiroth could extract something from Ultimecia's mind, Sephiroth can't do such thing. Don't invent things to elevate him above his true abilities.

What the hell are you babbling about? She can't do it through time if it is compressed, this is all happening within a single point of time.

Sephiroth can to, he can extract all memories of a being exactly like Jenova 😆. If you don't know this, you have no idea about Sephiroth. Even Cloud had a basic level of mime\mimic as he took memories from Tifa. Don't talk about things you don't know about.

Lol, lets go by a quote of a villain...not. Ultimecia wouldn't be able to destroy Sephiroths will even if she absorbed him. Also Sephiroth still created three beings after dieing, his will still exists the only way to defeat him is to knock back his will and even that only lasts a while but would be considered a defeat 'cause he can't regenerate from that straight away.

Also Sephiroth created a more powerful spell then her.

Sephiroth can extract memories and read thoughts, but Ultimecia can pull horrifying creatures out of your imagination just for funsies. Ultimecia made the Griever from nothing out of a design from Squall's subconscious.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Lol, lets go by a quote of a villain...not. Ultimecia wouldn't be able to destroy Sephiroths will even if she absorbed him. Also Sephiroth still created three beings after dieing, his will still exists the only way to defeat him is to knock back his will and even that only lasts a while but would be considered a defeat 'cause he can't regenerate from that straight away

It seems we have a Sephiroth fan-boy here... Anyway. Ultimecia was absorbing the existence, do you know what existence means? Sephiroth not only would be dead after being absorbed, he would form part of Ultimecia's power, Sephiroth's will would be automatically Ultimecia's will. Sephiroth have no salvation nor hope from Time Compression Ultimecia, no one have.

Oh... And Like I said, Ultimecia would still defeat him without the need to absorb him, she can extract a creature from Sephiroth's mind as she did to Squall, imagine it... Extracting something from Sephiroth, she could easily extract a God-like creature.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
It seems we have a Sephiroth fan-boy here...

Yes, indeed.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Anyway. Ultimecia was absorbing the existence, do you know what existence means?

No, I obvioiusly don't know what existence means...

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Sephiroth not only would be dead after being absorbed,

Proof please.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
he would form part of Ultimecia's power,

Lol, Jenova cells, she has never shown any protection against anything like Jenova cells.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Sephiroth's will would be automatically Ultimecia's will.

Proof please, she never absorbed a person, Jenova cells would take over her body, allowing Sephiroth to control her. His will has more feats then hers.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Sephiroth have no salvation nor hope from Time Compression Ultimecia, no one have.

BS.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Oh... And Like I said, Ultimecia would still defeat him without the need to absorb him,

No, Sephiroth can move much faster then her. Her reaction speed is not good enough to keep up with Sephiroth.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
she can extract a creature from Sephiroth's mind as she did to Squall, imagine it... Extracting something from Sephiroth, she could easily extract a God-like creature.

Sephiroth can also extract something from her mind. 🤣