Sephiroth vs. Ultimecia

Originally posted by K1ll3r
No it doesn't. I think you are taking a quote the wrong way.

I think you don't know anything about Ultimecia. I've noticed how good you are at refuting arguments... "No it doesn't". You have absolutely nothing that suggests that Sephiroth would be able to defeat Ultimecia. Hell, Sephiroth was defeated three times by Cloud.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
But you don't need protection against Time Compression.

You have to be aware, you'll end trapped in Time. You don't get it, I gave you that silly example to prove how wrong and pointless is your argument: "Ultimecia haven't shown any protection against Jenova cells". That's you whole argument.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Why not? She could work almost like a Black Hole!

Yeah...sure... A Black Hole would be able to absorb all the existence and the Universe... If a star makes contact with a Black Hole, its gravitational force would suck and annihilate the star in million pieces. That's the only argument you have...? You're being stubborn and irrational. Ultimecia was absorbing the Universe, a Black Hole is insignificant for her and would be easily absorbed as well. But no... now you would say: "The Black Hole would absorb Ultimecia from the inside and would take control over her".

Originally posted by K1ll3r
I thought here we didn't take stock into titles like Goddess and the like? Simple Jenova cells? C'mon you are underrating Jenova cells greatly.

And you are underrating Ultimecia's power, absolutely. You have nothing left but stubbornness.

This is what lowers my respect to game characters on here facepalm

lol.

This thread shouldn't gone through 7 pages. Ultemecia by surperior feats wins this in a godly stomp.

You're right, it is not worth my time to keep arguing this, unless someone bring a good argument.

Spite.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I think you don't know anything about Ultimecia. I've noticed how good you are at refuting arguments... "No it doesn't". You have absolutely nothing that suggests that Sephiroth would be able to defeat Ultimecia. Hell, Sephiroth was defeated three times by Cloud.

Lol, I just replayed through the entirety of FF8. Ultimecia never absorbed all of existence nor did she have control over it. She didn't even absorb a planet. In the final battle, she wasn't absorbing stars etc at an alarming rate.

She never even achieved Time Compression.

“I am Ultimecia. Time shall compress. All existence denied.”

That is said during the final battle, Time shall compress, meaning it hasn't yet compressed.

Not only are we using a Ultimecia that never existed there is a massive amount of misinformation about her absorbing everything.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
You have to be aware, you'll end trapped in Time. You don't get it, I gave you that silly example to prove how wrong and pointless is your argument: "Ultimecia haven't shown any protection against Jenova cells". That's you whole argument.

Silly example indeed. She hasn't, she has never come across Jenova Cells, even if she DID absorb his body (lolz) IT STILL EXISTS. She never was destroying existence, she was becoming reality or rather reality was becoming her. However the only things that she MIGHT have absorbed was some flowers and stuff but it seems the GF she used at the end destroyed her castle and made the area they were fighting on barren. They then get taken to the sky. If you think those sparkling things moving around are stars you are severely mistaken.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Yeah...sure... A Black Hole would be able to absorb all the existence and the Universe... If a star makes contact with a Black Hole, its gravitational force would suck and annihilate the star in million pieces. That's the only argument you have...? You're being stubborn and irrational. Ultimecia was absorbing the Universe, a Black Hole is insignificant for her and would be easily absorbed as well. But no... now you would say: "The Black Hole would absorb Ultimecia from the inside and would take control over her".

Rofl, you totally missed the point I was trying to make. Also Black Holes don't work like that, well as far as anyone knows. I wouldn't say that.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
And you are underrating Ultimecia's power, absolutely. You have nothing left but stubbornness.

Umm, no. Sephiroth absorbed more 'existence' than her and controls more 'existence' then her. (When Sephiroth sat absorbing a crap ton of Lifestream and Sephiroths NL) This is based on what we SEE and what actually HAPPENS in the game which trumps any ill-translated scan.

EDIT: Bump

Ultimecia was absorbing stars and planets at the end of the game,stop making Sephiroth fans look stupid.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Lol, I just replayed through the entirety of FF8. Ultimecia never absorbed all of existence nor did she have control over it. She didn't even absorb a planet. In the final battle, she wasn't absorbing stars etc at an alarming rate.

She never even achieved Time Compression.

“I am Ultimecia. Time shall compress. All existence denied.”

That is said during the final battle, Time shall compress, meaning it hasn't yet compressed.

Not only are we using a Ultimecia that never existed there is a massive amount of misinformation about her absorbing everything.

Silly example indeed. She hasn't, she has never come across Jenova Cells, even if she DID absorb his body (lolz) IT STILL EXISTS. She never was destroying existence, she was becoming reality or rather reality was becoming her. However the only things that she MIGHT have absorbed was some flowers and stuff but it seems the GF she used at the end destroyed her castle and made the area they were fighting on barren. They then get taken to the sky. If you think those sparkling things moving around are stars you are severely mistaken.

Rofl, you totally missed the point I was trying to make. Also Black Holes don't work like that, well as far as anyone knows. I wouldn't say that.

Umm, no. Sephiroth absorbed more 'existence' than her and controls more 'existence' then her. (When Sephiroth sat absorbing a crap ton of Lifestream and Sephiroths NL) This is based on what we SEE and what actually HAPPENS in the game which trumps any ill-translated scan.

EDIT: Bump

Oh, dang! If this info is true, I'm about to these tidbits about Ultimecia in another thread (dun Dun DUN!). Thank you kindly! 😆

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Ultimecia was absorbing stars and planets at the end of the game,stop making Sephiroth fans look stupid.

No she wasn't. And yes it is true LLLLLink.

The things floating around her came from the gf she junctioned herself into (when it exploded)which obviously werent planets and stars.

Not to mention they aren't even moving towards her, they are mostly falling ever so slightly. (It just so happens that in some camera angles some of the little white dots go 'into' her)

Sadly its not, its his own interpretation.

Stars and etc. as in planets and everything else included in space, if you make claims that all you see is stars, just imagine how much larger stars are than planets.
Confirmed in the ultimania.

Sephiroth hasn't shown any protection against being cleared of existence, neither has Jenova.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Lol, I just replayed through the entirety of FF8. Ultimecia never absorbed all of existence nor did she have control over it. She didn't even absorb a planet. In the final battle, she wasn't absorbing stars etc at an alarming rate.

She never even achieved Time Compression.

“I am Ultimecia. Time shall compress. All existence denied.”

That is said during the final battle, Time shall compress, meaning it hasn't yet compressed.

Not only are we using a Ultimecia that never existed there is a massive amount of misinformation about her absorbing everything.

She had not control over it? So that means she hadn't control over anything? I suppose Squall and his team had some sort of "control" over the Universe?

She never achieved Time Compression, but was absoring the existence.

All existence denied, because she WAS ALREADY absorbing the existence, Scan Ultimecia and you'lll see.

I doubt you know enough about Final Fantasy VIII.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Silly example indeed. She hasn't, she has never come across Jenova Cells, even if she DID absorb his body (lolz) IT STILL EXISTS. She never was destroying existence, she was becoming reality or rather reality was becoming her. However the only things that she MIGHT have absorbed was some flowers and stuff but it seems the GF she used at the end destroyed her castle and made the area they were fighting on barren. They then get taken to the sky. If you think those sparkling things moving around are stars you are severely mistaken.

She never come across Jenova Cells, Sephiroth has come across Universe/existence absorption? No, right? Sephiroth would still exist after being absorbed (lolz). Griever destroyed her castle? I thought she destroyed it by Time Compression. It seems you have your own interpretation.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Rofl, you totally missed the point I was trying to make. Also Black Holes don't work like that, well as far as anyone knows. I wouldn't say that.

Ultimecia would absorb also a Black Hole, so.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Umm, no. Sephiroth absorbed more 'existence' than her and controls more 'existence' then her. (When Sephiroth sat absorbing a crap ton of Lifestream and Sephiroths NL) This is based on what we SEE and what actually HAPPENS in the game which trumps any ill-translated scan.

Sephiroth absorbed more existence than her? What are you talking about? When Sephiroth didn't even couldn't take a single planet you mean?

Originally posted by SpadeKing
Sadly its not, its his own interpretation.

Stars and etc. as in planets and everything else included in space, if you make claims that all you see is stars, just imagine how much larger stars are than planets.
Confirmed in the ultimania.

Sephiroth hasn't shown any protection against being cleared of existence, neither has Jenova.

Lol, no.

I never made claims that they are stars, they aren't stars, when the party destroys the junctioned gf it wipes apart in some nice white particles, those are the things floating and falling around. Heck the world they were on wasn't even absorbed or destroyed so how the hell did she absorb stars and planets that would have collided and ripped apart that planet.

No it isn't. It never says she absorbed anything in the Ultimania.

Sure.

Also, if those are stars absorbing into her Squall and co must be insanely big, bigger then 100's of stars.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
She had not control over it? So that means she hadn't control over anything? I suppose Squall and his team had some sort of "control" over the Universe?

Lol, no she had not absorbed anything therefore she didn't have control over it, that is why she was compressing time. :-/

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
She never achieved Time Compression, but was absoring the existence.

Oh? Was she?

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
All existence denied, because she WAS ALREADY absorbing the existence, Scan Ultimecia and you'lll see.

“I am Ultimecia. Time shall compress. All existence denied.” This doesn't say she is absorbing it, it means when time is compressed existence is completely stopped everywhen, that is not a typo.

Rofl, maybe you should read what I typed, I did scan her and it completely goes against everything that we have been told up to that point and everything we see. Either it is mistranslated or wrong the planet they were on wasn't even absorbed. If she absorbed anything at that point it was the flowers and grass where they were fighting. (that came back at the end.)

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I doubt you know enough about Final Fantasy VIII.

:-/ You think the planet they were on was absorbed? No, it wasn't.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
She never come across Jenova Cells, Sephiroth has come across Universe/existence absorption? No, right? Sephiroth would still exist after being absorbed (lolz). Griever destroyed her castle? I thought she destroyed it by Time Compression. It seems you have your own interpretation.

What? In the summoning of the ultimate GF the throneroom that you encounter her in is destroyed, everything is barren, which is reversed when the Time Compression is stopped.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Ultimecia would absorb also a Black Hole, so.

Prove it. Not that it matters, but prove it.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Sephiroth absorbed more existence than her? What are you talking about? When Sephiroth didn't even couldn't take a single planet you mean?

I already explained what I was talking about.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Lol, no she had not absorbed anything therefore she didn't have control over it, that is why she was compressing time. :-/

Killer, you just have killed yourself here.
If you Scan Ultimecia in the final battle (which I doubt you have done it because you are saying bullshit) You'll find this:

'Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak.'

It says Ultimecia is transformed to absorb all Time and Space (which means she's already doing it) Absorbing all existence as we speak, what do you get from this? Concede.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Oh? Was she?

Meaningless quote. Yes, she was.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
“I am Ultimecia. Time shall compress. All existence denied.” This doesn't say she is absorbing it, it means when time is compressed existence is completely stopped everywhen, that is not a typo.

Since you've played Final Fantasy VIII, Scan Ultimecia and you'll find out. Oh, Time is already compressed in many definitions, reasonings and logic, otherwise Squall and Co. wouldn't have traveled through time to her castle, don't you think?

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Rofl, maybe you should read what I typed, I did scan her and it completely goes against everything that we have been told up to that point and everything we see. Either it is mistranslated or wrong the planet they were on wasn't even absorbed. If she absorbed anything at that point it was the flowers and grass where they were fighting. (that came back at the end.)

I read what you have typed, it didn't make any sense. Nothing is minstraslated, everything is pretty clear if you take your time to analyse the game (which you haven't). The planet wasn't absorbed?
She was absorbing all Time and Space and a single planet wasn't absorbed? What are you talking about?

Originally posted by K1ll3r
:-/ You think the planet they were on was absorbed? No, it wasn't.

Yes I do think so, I also think that she was absorbing all the existence in the whole Universe.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
What? In the summoning of the ultimate GF the throneroom that you encounter her in is destroyed, everything is barren, which is reversed when the Time Compression is stopped.

That's a good interpretation actually, and I must confess that I think the same, but not only that, I think that the castle could have been erased due of Time Compression.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Prove it. Not that it matters, but prove it.

Read above.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
I already explained what I was talking about.

I'm afraid you didn't.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Lol, no.

I never made claims that they are stars, they aren't stars, when the party destroys the junctioned gf it wipes apart in some nice white particles, those are the things floating and falling around. Heck the world they were on wasn't even absorbed or destroyed so how the hell did she absorb stars and planets that would have collided and ripped apart that planet.

No it isn't. It never says she absorbed anything in the Ultimania.

Sure.

Also, if those are stars absorbing into her Squall and co must be insanely big, bigger then 100's of stars.

Kinda misread it

still yet, it is stated http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/197343/34215
The FF8 was never posted if it was fully translated but the guy who translated most of 7 and 9 worked with this one.

Well you obviously never read or knew there was an ultimania for 8 especially considering it was also the first.

And if she absorbs nothing explain fallen party members being "absorbed into time"

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Killer, you just have killed yourself here.
If you Scan Ultimecia in the final battle (which I doubt you have done it because you are saying bullshit) You'll find this:

No, I did it. I read the scan, how about show me her absorbing all of time and space, ohwait you can't because she didn't.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
'Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak.'

Either mistranslated or wrong because she didn't absorb anything at that point.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
It says Ultimecia is transformed to absorb all Time and Space (which means she's already doing it) Absorbing all existence as we speak, what do you get from this? Concede.

It doesn't mean she is already doing it, the second part is the part that says she is doing, which she clearly isn't. SHE DOESN'T ABSORB ANYTHING IN THAT FIGHT.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Meaningless quote. Yes, she was.

Meaningless quote. No, she wasn't.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Since you've played Final Fantasy VIII, Scan Ultimecia and you'll find out. Oh, Time is already compressed in many definitions, reasonings and logic, otherwise Squall and Co. wouldn't have traveled through time to her castle, don't you think?

Lolololol, you have such a bad misconception of Time Compression. Time was still being compressed when they travelled through it. (Which by the way is why they needed love and friendship, as when Squall done it, he was like IMALONER and ended up on that island). It's stated that (Paraphrasing) Only Ultimecia can survive Time Compressed.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I read what you have typed, it didn't make any sense. Nothing is minstraslated, everything is pretty clear if you take your time to analyse the game (which you haven't). The planet wasn't absorbed?
She was absorbing all Time and Space and a single planet wasn't absorbed? What are you talking about?

Okay, okay after she dies, the planet is still there. It WASN'T absorbed or destroyed. It didn't come back after she absorbed it, it just didn't get absorbed the only thing that actually happened was the Time Compression reversed, not her absorbing everything.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Yes I do think so, I also think that she was absorbing all the existence in the whole Universe.

The only thing that came back when she died were flowers...You would think that if she had absorbed everything, we would have seen everything come back but that isn't what happens.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
That's a good interpretation actually, and I must confess that I think the same, but not only that, I think that the castle could have been erased due of Time Compression.

We clearly see the destruction of what was caused by the ultimate GF. Castle is fine -> GF is summoned -> Throne explodes -> White light -> No castle\barren land.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Read above.

I'm sorry, you can't even prove that Black Holes exist. Let alone were absorbed by her.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I'm afraid you didn't.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
When Sephiroth sat absorbing a crap ton of Lifestream and Sephiroths NL, this is based on what we SEE and what actually HAPPENS in the game which trumps any gameplay scan.

Yes. I did. The amount of lifestream Sephiroth absorbed is more then she absorbed of existence, if at all.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
Kinda misread it

Cool.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
still yet, it is stated http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/197343/34215
The FF8 was never posted if it was fully translated but the guy who translated most of 7 and 9 worked with this one.

http://thelifestream.net/category/final-fantasy-viii-ultimania-translations/

A lot of that FAQ is theories and whatnot sometimes paraphrasing some parts of the Ultimania.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
Well you obviously never read or knew there was an ultimania for 8 especially considering it was also the first.

And if she absorbs nothing explain fallen party members being "absorbed into time"

Absorbed into time means what it says, it's what happens when they stop trying to be together and lovey, like what happened to Squall.

Sephiroth will not be absorbed by her (Love and Friendship wasn't used to protect from absorption, but to protection from moving through Time Compression). Sephiroth will not be wiped from existence by her. IF she absorbed anything it was the 'white particles' that bursted from the death of the most powerful gf.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
No, I did it. I read the scan, how about show me her absorbing all of time and space, ohwait you can't because she didn't.

She didn't? Dare to explain why you reached this conclusion?

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Either mistranslated or wrong because she didn't absorb anything at that point.

So by your logic she didn't absorb ANYTHING because the Scan Spell itself is mistransated? What evidence you have that the Scan is wrong?

Originally posted by K1ll3r
It doesn't mean she is already doing it, the second part is the part that says she is doing, which she clearly isn't. SHE DOESN'T ABSORB ANYTHING IN THAT FIGHT.

The quote says that she is ALREADY transformed to absorb all Time and Space, meaning that she is capable, thus she was doing it, the second part states that she was absorbing all the existence, which is true and I don't see why the Scan could be wrong, so explain me that.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Meaningless quote. No, she wasn't.

Meaningless quote. Prove it.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Lolololol, you have such a bad misconception of Time Compression. Time was still being compressed when they travelled through it. (Which by the way is why they needed love and friendship, as when Squall done it, he was like IMALONER and ended up on that island). It's stated that (Paraphrasing) Only Ultimecia can survive Time Compressed.

That's quite true.
So if only Ultimecia can exist in Time Compressed, what would happen to Sephiroth? He would be erased, exactly. (Despite if he don't get himself absorbed first).

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Okay, okay after she dies, the planet is still there. It WASN'T absorbed or destroyed. It didn't come back after she absorbed it, it just didn't get absorbed the only thing that actually happened was the Time Compression reversed, not her absorbing everything.

Ultimecia was already in the process of compressing Time, she is capable of absorbing all Time and Space with such power, Squall and Co. didn't get absorbed or anything because of their will-power, etc. simple as that, how can you deny this? Time Compression is what allow her to absorb Time and Space. The planet? What do you mean by: 'the planet'? You mean Earth? TIME WAS BEING COMPRESSED IN A SINGLE MOMENT, how the hell the Earth would exist as a single planet when all the Universe was being transformed into ONE moment? She was absorbing the existence via Time Compression and transforming it into a single moment. Suggesting that Earth was still 'intact', 'untouched' is illogical and ridiculous.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
The only thing that came back when she died were flowers...You would think that if she had absorbed everything, we would have seen everything come back but that isn't what happens.

What are you talking about? She didn't absorbed EVERYTHING, she WAS absorbing everything.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
We clearly see the destruction of what was caused by the ultimate GF. Castle is fine -> GF is summoned -> Throne explodes -> White light -> No castle\barren land.

Good reasoning, but what about Ultimecia? She was Compressing Time also in that moment, do not forget. Time Compression wasn't stopped AT ALL while Summoning/fighting Griever.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
I'm sorry, you can't even prove that Black Holes exist. Let alone were absorbed by her.

If she was absorbing all Time and Space it is logic that a Black Hole would be absorbed as well, common sense.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
When Sephiroth sat absorbing a crap ton of Lifestream and Sephiroths NL, this is based on what we SEE and what actually HAPPENS in the game which trumps any gameplay scan.

Sephiroth was absorbing Lifestream. Ultimecia was absorbing all existence and compressing everything in the Universe, nice.

GrieverSquall, I strongly suggest that you don't feed the troll.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
http://thelifestream.net/category/final-fantasy-viii-ultimania-translations/

A lot of that FAQ is theories and whatnot sometimes paraphrasing some parts of the Ultimania.

Absorbed into time means what it says, it's what happens when they stop trying to be together and lovey, like what happened to Squall.

Sephiroth will not be absorbed by her (Love and Friendship wasn't used to protect from absorption, but to protection from moving through Time Compression). Sephiroth will not be wiped from existence by her. IF she absorbed anything it was the 'white particles' that bursted from the death of the most powerful gf.

Those theories are just to added to be squashed by the ultimania, those are just theories people came up with about the story and then how they are disproven. really I was wondering about Rinoa's and Ultimecia's relations before.

That and they were told to focus on where they were heading as well, they wouldn't be able to focus on that when they were knocked in battle or if they didn't just focus at all

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
She didn't? Dare to explain why you reached this conclusion?

Because I didn't see her absorb anything, the scan even says she is absorbing it, but we don't know if she actually absorbed even a cat.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
So by your logic she didn't absorb ANYTHING because the Scan Spell itself is mistransated? What evidence you have that the Scan is wrong?

I am saying she didn't absorb anything because nothing is seen to be absorbed, except maybe the white orb thingos that came out of the 'Ultimate GF'. Maybe I am not saying it correctly, the scan may be right BUT Time Compression was never achieved and she never ABSORBED existence.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
The quote says that she is ALREADY transformed to absorb all Time and Space, meaning that she is capable, thus she was doing it, the second part states that she was absorbing all the existence, which is true and I don't see why the Scan could be wrong, so explain me that.

Yes, no it doesn't mean she is doing it. Why don't Squall and co get absorbed? Don't tell me love and friendship because that was used to protect from travelling through the Time Compression. She never absorbed anything, even saying that the scan can still be right.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Meaningless quote. Prove it.

Okay okay, she was absorbing it, but never did nor did she accomplish in absorbing anything furthermore she can be attacked while she is absorbing 'existence' lololol.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
That's quite true.
So if only Ultimecia can exist in Time Compressed, what would happen to Sephiroth? He would be erased, exactly. (Despite if he don't get himself absorbed first).

No, this is saying Ultimecia never achieved Time Compressed, because people besides Ultimecia were in the fight where she got defeated. Unless ofcourse you are going to say "Willpower" or "Love and Friendship" which if those are the case means Sephiroth is fine.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Ultimecia was already in the process of compressing Time.

Wow, pretty sure I know that.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
,she is capable of absorbing all Time and Space with such power, Squall and Co. didn't get absorbed or anything because of their will-power, etc.

If she can't absorb those with willpower as bad as thiers what makes you think she can absorb one with greater willpower than all of them together? (Sephiroths Will has: Stopped HOLY moving to stop Meteor)

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
,simple as that, how can you deny this?

Well, I am fine with not denying how you said it there.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
,Time Compression is what allow her to absorb Time and Space.

I know.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
,The planet? What do you mean by: 'the planet'? You mean Earth? TIME WAS BEING COMPRESSED IN A SINGLE MOMENT, how the hell the Earth would exist as a single planet when all the Universe was being transformed into ONE moment? She was absorbing the existence via Time Compression and transforming it into a single moment. Suggesting that Earth was still 'intact', 'untouched' is illogical and ridiculous.

You can see it wasn't, they are still standing on it.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
What are you talking about? She didn't absorbed EVERYTHING, she WAS absorbing everything.

She obviously wasn't and if you say she was and that Squall and co were only protected by 'willpower' or 'love and friendship' than Sephiroths 'Will' is stronger than both, allowing him to resist getting absorbed.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Good reasoning, but what about Ultimecia? She was Compressing Time also in that moment, do not forget. Time Compression wasn't stopped AT ALL while Summoning/fighting Griever.

So you are saying that it was coincidental that Griever was just summoned at the same moment Time Compression destroyed the very castle they were in.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
If she was absorbing all Time and Space it is logic that a Black Hole would be absorbed as well, common sense.

If a Black Hole exists, yes.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Sephiroth was absorbing Lifestream. Ultimecia was absorbing all existence and compressing everything in the Universe, nice.

Except Sephiroth accomplished absorbing and controlling a sizeable amount of Lifestream whereas Ultimecia never absorbed anything, unless you count the Griever white ball thingos.

Originally posted by Nephthys
GrieverSquall, I strongly suggest that you don't feed the troll.

Oh man, 🙁 that hurt my feelings. Why be so hurtful?

Originally posted by SpadeKing
Those theories are just to added to be squashed by the ultimania, those are just theories people came up with about the story and then how they are disproven. really I was wondering about Rinoa's and Ultimecia's relations before.

R=U is an interesting concept, sadly it's most probably wrong.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
That and they were told to focus on where they were heading as well, they wouldn't be able to focus on that when they were knocked in battle or if they didn't just focus at all

Indeed. Absorbed in time != Ultimecia absorbing all of existence.

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Let's say she compressed time, could absorb all of time and space but 'Love and Friendship' or 'Willpower' could stop someone from being absorbed and protect from time compressed.

A. Sephiroths 'Will' is stronger than 'Love and Friendship' and thier 'Willpower'. (Going by feats of all things mentioned).
B. Time is compressed, meaning she can't stop\slow time.
C. Time manipulation is her only edge, Sephiroth wins.

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The fact of the matter is she never absorbed anything and She didn't have control over existence.