Ultimecia vs Kratos and Pyron

No holding back on either side, so that means no PIS, CIS, GAMEPLAY, and the like.

If this is Time Compression Ultimecia she stomps.

Pyron.. he's on a whole separate level

Ultimecia wins, her time powers are on a whole different level than Kratos', and Pyron only absorbs planets, Ultimecia was absorbing all of reality. The only Pyron which MIGHT beat Ultimecia is if Pyron ate and became the universe which he would have had he not been stopped.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Ultimecia wins, her time powers are on a whole different level than Kratos', and Pyron only absorbs planets, Ultimecia was absorbing all of reality. The only Pyron which MIGHT beat Ultimecia is if Pyron ate and became the universe which he would have had he not been stopped.

Originally posted by bloodlust247
she wasn't absorbing all reality.. she was merging and compressing time.. and it wasn't done as an attack or destructive force but rather just so she could absorb the power of other sorceresses.. and she also needed to use a machine to first reach back in time

And even the feat of compressing all time into a single moment is far greater than Pyron, even though it took time.

yea exactly it took time and manipulation of other charaters.. meanwhile Pyron could have ate whatever planet she was on or just simply backhanded her into oblivion

You're ignoring the fact that under her own power she was absorbing the universe.

actually she had to possess and control people through a machine to achieve her goals.. if it was under her own power then the story of FF8 wouldn't need the whole plot that it did

She wasn't able to compress time without using others.

She was absorbing the universe herself.

It is not like she just randomly aquires that power with Time Compression.

she didn't randomly acquire but she used the power from other sorceresses to help her

Which she should already have considering the fact that she is the last remaining Sorceress, so the combined power of every past Sorceress should have already been transferred to her, a Sorceress cannot die without passing on the power.

if that was true then why would she need a machine to go back in time and take the power lol

Ultimecia outclasses Pyron in every way imaginable. Absorbing all of reality is a far greater feat than eating mere planets. After Time Compression she could simply erase Pyron from existence.

how does she outclass him?
she did not use time compression as an attack.. she only used it to grow stronger.. and it took a whole video games' worth of manipulating people for her to even try to accomplish it.. and she never even succeeded either.. Pyron doesn't need to spend time manipulating anybody.. he could just shove his giant planet-sized foot up her ass from the get go.. not to mention Ultimecia was defeated by Squall.. lol.. imagine Squall trying to defeat Pyron.. lol

uh, the first post does say "no PIS, CIS and gameplay", so the squal > ultemecia thing doesnt apply here 😬

well considering Ultimecia's time compression is both plot and character induced as well the sum total of the entire FF8 game play then i guess it's Pyron > Kratos > Ultimecia.. but i find the phrase 'no holding back' and the phrase 'no PIS, CIS, gameplay' to be opposites so i don't see how it would work.. since Ultimecia never actually accomplished her goal how could you use time compression in the debate without some PIS

just because its plot induced doesnt mean its plot induced stupidity..
the fact that seph and ultemecia were beaten by people far weaker than themselves is PIS..the fact that they are so powerful in the first place is just plot..
ultemecia absorbing reality isnt gameplay, and it is stated (as well as logically assumed) that if she accomplished her goal she would be pretty much unstoppable..she would be able to controll all of time and space, and just blink both pyron and kratos out of existance...

also, why the hell is kratos here? hes not in the league of the other 2 fighters..not even close..

Pyron>Ultemecia

Kratos is in this because he defeated 2 gods, and a goddess.

Its already been stated that Squall only defeated Ultimecia because fate deemed that he would. Squall had a deus ex machina to give him a PIS victory.

And if you want to take that route, a cheesy Dracula wannabe made Pyron look like a helpless child.

Kratos is in this because he defeated 2 gods, and a goddess.

Two gods and a goddess with no feats who were taken down by simple impaling...

If Kratos were Spider-Man then Ultimecia and Pyron are Odin and Galactus, respectively.