Ultimecia vs Kratos and Pyron · Games 'Versus' Forum

bloodlust247 Junior Member

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Fascist is an idiot and I feel slightly insulted he is siding with me on the argument.
And maybe she was not powerful enough to use Time Compression on her own? Funny, by possessing the Sorceresses, that is mostly just her power, albeit weakened due to possession. But let's say you are right.
Oh, and using Squall and friends beating Ultimecia is a copout A>B>C logic tactic, as she was clearly PISed to losing, she was absorbing REALITY. Pyron is a part of reality. Absorb Pyron. Whoa.
She in her true form was absorbing all of reality, which Pyron is part of. Whoa.

like i said.. she was compressing time not absorbing reality.. reality is a relative term that can only be defined by what one knows.. existence would be more of the term for what you're trying to describe.. and what exists is a broader range than what reality would be to any given individual.. but there's even more.. existence doesn't incorporate 'all' either since even non-existence may take up space.. example being a void that occupies space

bloodlust247 Junior Member

maybe she was trying to absorb all of what she saw as reality.. that being the environment created when time compression started.. but as you can clearly see while the game itself may deal with various times lines.. it only deals with one 'world' or plane of spacial existence

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

You are speculating based on secondary definitions of certain words.

Reality, is everything in existence, this is not a metaphor for someone's own perspective as you are trying to imply.

And from a canonical, un-arguable source, it directly states that she was absorbing all of reality(notice the key word here...ALL).

Gumachi Junior Member

Originally posted by Wil7
Pyron>Ultemecia
Kratos is in this because he defeated 2 gods, and a goddess.

He also defeated The God of The Underworld & The Sisters of Fate(Higher Than The Olympian Gods).

Wil7 Faster than a bullet

I don't remember Kratos defeating the god of the underworld. I remember him defeating the goddess of the underworld, but not Hades.

Gumachi Junior Member

Yea I mean't Goddess. You know what I mean. He did that in Chains of Olympus.

He defeated like 6-7. Almost Zeus.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

The Sisters of Fate are higher than the Olympians according to them, yet even with their power, Kratos was still a little less powerful than Zeus.

bloodlust247 Junior Member

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
You are speculating based on secondary definitions of certain words.
Reality, is everything in existence

that's you're problem.. it's not speculation.. it is what it is.. reality is not everything in existence.. reality is what's real as we know.. (and if you wanna speak about canon.. then let's not forget that Ultimecia was beaten by Squall in canon.. if your gonna disregard that then don't talk to me about canon.. like i said.. i don't agree at all with picking and choosing).. anyway if she possessed half of the great hyne.. which was granted to MANKIND.. MANKIND is not all of existence.. the term reality is subjective to the course of the story

Peach mordrem

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Fascist is an idiot and I feel slightly insulted he is siding with me on the argument.
And maybe she was not powerful enough to use Time Compression on her own? Funny, by possessing the Sorceresses, that is mostly just her power, albeit weakened due to possession. But let's say you are right.
Oh, and using Squall and friends beating Ultimecia is a copout A>B>C logic tactic, as she was clearly PISed to losing, she was absorbing REALITY. Pyron is a part of reality. Absorb Pyron. Whoa.
She in her true form was absorbing all of reality, which Pyron is part of. Whoa.

There was absolutely no need for the namecalling. Don't do it again.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by bloodlust247
that's you're problem.. it's not speculation.. it is what it is.. reality is not everything in existence.. reality is what's real as we know.. (and if you wanna speak about canon.. then let's not forget that Ultimecia was beaten by Squall in canon.. if your gonna disregard that then don't talk to me about canon.. like i said.. i don't agree at all with picking and choosing).. anyway if she possessed half of the great hyne.. which was granted to MANKIND.. MANKIND is not all of existence.. the term reality is subjective to the course of the story

What does her possessing half of the Great Hyne have to do with her not being able to absorb all of existence(which is actually what was said).

And Ultimecia knows what space is, having lived hundreds or thousands of years after space travel was even put to use in the FFVIII world.

Squall beating Ultimecia was PIS, plot induced stupidity, they won due to a plot device. Though judging by the content of the majority of your posts, you prolly have no concept of such a thing.

bloodlust247 Junior Member

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
What does her possessing half of the Great Hyne have to do with her not being able to absorb all of existence(which is actually what was said).
And Ultimecia knows what space is, having lived hundreds or thousands of years after space travel was even put to use in the FFVIII world.
Squall beating Ultimecia was PIS, plot induced stupidity, they won due to a plot device. Though judging by the content of the majority of your posts, you prolly have no concept of such a thing.

lol man you make laugh.. do you even read what you write.. you're talking in circles.. how would she know what the space that Pyron.. Galactus and so on live in when her own world is a completely different fictional plateau.. Pyron and them all live in a 'reality' that includes Earth.. she doesn't.. in her world mankind lives on a whole separate place.. if it was the same then they would just call it Earth.. nobody can determine the size of her 'reality'.. it's simple logic.. it's like when scientist try to figure out the size of an object in a picture (say a cat or a bear).. they need a reference of a (say a tree) in the background to determine the size in relativity (meaning reality).. if you don't have a reference point then it's not reality.. it's only guessing

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by bloodlust247
lol man you make laugh.. do you even read what you write.. you're talking in circles.. how would she know what the space that Pyron.. Galactus and so on live in when her own world is a completely different fictional plateau.. Pyron and them all live in a 'reality' that includes Earth.. she doesn't.. in her world mankind lives on a whole separate place..

If she is fighting Pyron, she knows he is real you idiot. 😐

And it was confirmed to not be reality, but existence. I like how you dodged this point.

bloodlust247 Junior Member

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
If she is fighting Pyron, she knows he is real you idiot. 😐

it's not him.. it's the 'reality' smart guy.. what grade did you drop out of school at?

bloodlust247 Junior Member

you don't even debate the previous statement.. you just keep talking in circles.. and what point did i dodge? i'm the only one actually debating the point.. all you do is keep on repeating the same thing over and over again

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Are you trying to imply that for some strange, alien reason Ultimecia's power to absorb reality and existence won't work on Pyron, despite the fact that she knows who he is, he is right in front of her, and she was confirmed to be absorbing all of time and space?

bloodlust247 Junior Member

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Are you trying to imply that for some strange, alien reason Ultimecia's power to absorb reality and existence won't work on Pyron, despite the fact that she knows who he is, he is right in front of her, and she was confirmed to be absorbing all of time and space?

hahahahaha you're like the unsmartest person ever!! hahahahahaha
let me break it down on a kindergarten level for you..

peep game.. in Ultimecia's 'reality' she is on a world that includes Esthar or something.. in the world that Pyron exists in.. there is Earth and Andromeda and so on.. places that we know the size of.. so we can tell the relevance of a place such as 'Makai' or his home planet 'Hellstorm' by comparing them.. in Ultimecia's realm there is no Mars or Earth or Andromeda.. so we have absolutely no idea about the actual size of her 'reality'.. since we have no actual place to compare it to.. and by the fact that dudes like Pyron could (in a reality that includes Earth and Andromeda) easily destroy all of mankind a billion fold.. i highly doubt that someone with 'half the power granted to mankind' could compete with them or even be in a league close to them

bloodlust247 Junior Member

anyway i hope you get it.. if not then whatever.. i'm not gonna argue about it anymore

MadMel Heh

if you want to talk to kindergartens, you still have to make sense, and since you second last post made no sense whatsoever so you automatically fail 😬

bloodlust247 Junior Member

calm down captain commando.. of coarse kindergarten logic wouldn't make sense to preschool ass dude like you

MadMel Heh

ooh that was harsh...whats the matter? finally realizing that your hate tactics are failing miserably, and thus you have to resort to bashing as a means of getting your point across?