Ultimecia vs Kratos and Pyron

Originally posted by MadMel
just because its plot induced doesnt mean its plot induced stupidity..
the fact that seph and ultemecia were beaten by people far weaker than themselves is PIS

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Its already been stated that Squall only defeated Ultimecia because fate deemed that he would. Squall had a deus ex machina to give him a PIS victory.

And if you want to take that route, a cheesy Dracula wannabe made Pyron look like a helpless child.

oooo and that cheesy Dracula wannabe was knocked through a dimension and survived a blow that would have smashed your precious Ultimecia and her whole family tree into smithereens.. not to mention he himself would beat Ultimecia senseless and turn her into his anal sex slave

Sigh, the indefatigable fanboyism of the Darkstalkers crowd.

I'm afraid that its already been made clear that Squall won because fate and fate alone. Ultimecia is simply far too powerful for Pyron to be able to do anything to, and without any PIS a little vampire defeated him.

someone is in denial.. lol.. she lost to Squall bottomline.. in the game's canon.. all of the FF bosses are on a level that is able to defeated by a human or some slightly above human character.. that's just how it is.. if you can't deal with it then stop playing the games

oooo and by the way the definition of fate is 'the outcome of normal expected development' meaning IT WAS MEANT TO HAPPEN.. it doesn't mean that some extraordinary glitch in the matrix made it occur.. it simply means that it happened because it was what was supposed to happen.. no matter how you hard you try to deny it or twist it around or make excuses.. it's still the same outcome

Sigh....

You're really having a hard time grasping these complex concepts, aren't you? Don't worry, this time I'll make it really simple for you.

Ultimecia: Absorbs all of reality

Pyron: Absorbs single planets

Ultimecia: Only lost because fate as an entity deemed that Squall was intended to.

Pyron: Lost to Count Chocula because of his poor fighting skill.

There, now you'll be able to wrap your mind around an issue as complicated as this. 🙂

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sigh....

You're really having a hard time grasping these complex concepts, aren't you? Don't worry, this time I'll make it really simple for you.

Ultimecia: Absorbs all of reality

Pyron: Absorbs single planets

Ultimecia: Only lost because fate as an entity deemed that Squall was intended to.

Pyron: Lost to Count Chocula because of his poor fighting skill.

There, now you'll be able to wrap your mind around an issue as complicated as this. 🙂

and you're also confusing the term reality with existence.. reality is what we know to exist.. existence is everything that exists.. for all you know reality to her could be the planet she's on and the time lines of the planet she's on because that's all she talks about.. and for all we know that's what she deems as reality to her.. but either way she took forever and had to use other people as pawns just to attempt it.. and Pyron has a million times the raw power that she does and would obliterate her in an instant

Silly Darkstalkers fans, when will they learn that Pyron isn't all that great in the grand scheme of things?

Look, when you play FF VIII and then use evidence rather than your love for Pyron as an argument, then we can continue here. Until then you're just too silly to have a serious discussion with. 🙁

i beat that game like 5 years ago.. it wasn't that great.. if Ultimecia is as powerful as your idiotic ass thinks then there would be know point in Edea.. Seifer.. or Adel.. or even Rinoa for that matter

and let's not forget that Rinoa is the reason the time compression even initiated and Squall had it purposely happen so he could get to Ultimecia.. or did you forget what really happens in the game?

Originally posted by bloodlust247
if that was true then why would she need a machine to go back in time and take the power lol

Think of it like crushing a soda can, you have to get hold of both sides to compress it.

And she needed it to compress all reality into one single moment. Which is something she could not do at a whim.

There is no evidence she had to be amped to absorb reality however.

Also, she lost to Squall for the same reason that Squall and friends were able to even survive Time Compression, the power of love and friendship. And I am serious.

Oh and fascistcrusader, shut up.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
To compress time, she needed to have two bodies in two separate times to compress time, two Sorceresses.

Think of it like crushing a soda can, you have to get hold of both sides to compress it.

the only problem with that theory is that they were not at both ends.. more like in the middle.. she needed other people because she had to absorb their power because she was not powerful enough to do it on her own

Originally posted by bloodlust247
but either way she took forever and had to use other people as pawns just to attempt it..

But we are using her most powerful form here. Meaning that she already did all of that. We are using Ultimecia's final form, dude. Not the one we see during the majority of the game.

If we go by your logic, then we can say that Pyron took forever, and had to beat alot of warriors in his home planet, before gaining cosmic powers.

Originally posted by SHM
But we are using her most powerful form here. Meaning that she already did all of that. We are using Ultimecia's [b]final form, dude. Not the one we see during the majority of the game.

If we go by your logic, then we can say that Pyron took forever, and had to beat alot of warriors in his home planet, before gaining cosmic powers. [/B]

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sigh, the indefatigable fanboyism of the Darkstalkers crowd.

What I find surprising though is someone not only using Squall beating Ult as an argument but calling you a fanboy of FF8 😐. Are you even a fan of 8?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Oh and fascistcrusader, shut up.

considering he's following Ultimecia's name around every thread then i would say yes.. and why wouldn't someone beating someone be used as an argument.. where taking about game characters.. that's all we know about them idiot boy

Fascist is an idiot and I feel slightly insulted he is siding with me on the argument.

And maybe she was not powerful enough to use Time Compression on her own? Funny, by possessing the Sorceresses, that is mostly just her power, albeit weakened due to possession. But let's say you are right.

Oh, and using Squall and friends beating Ultimecia is a copout A>B>C logic tactic, as she was clearly PISed to losing, she was absorbing REALITY. Pyron is a part of reality. Absorb Pyron. Whoa.

She in her true form was absorbing all of reality, which Pyron is part of. Whoa.

Idk bout this one. Like Jedah Pyron's kinda hard to put in debates cuz even wit all his feats and showins, he was never really tryin. One source says he was only limited by his mind. Don't really know what Pyron could do if he put forth effort.

Well Pyron's true power based on quotes and what-not is from simple planet-eating all the way to Omnipotence(though that was clearly narrative Hyperbole).