Originally posted by The Pict
It's not limitless, he's been overpowered before. Will post the scan in a minute.
You don't need to. I have Vulcans appearances. Havok was amped by a star, they have similar energy powers (and are brothers), and Vulcan was attempting to block it, not steer it around him like he's done to Cyclopes.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I didn't say anything about Superman. But Rachel has part of the Phoenix Force and is a very talented telepath. Especially during RAFOTSE & Emperor Vulcan. And Vulcan is described as "beyond Omega" as a mutant. His abilities don't have a limit. If he can shut off Rachel's telepathy, he can shut off J'onn's.
i was using clark as an example.
emma beat down rachel singlehanded, and rachel has always been more about power than actual skill, even now...
put her up against j'onn, and i'm not sure she can do the business...
beyond omega means unlimited potential, not unlimited power.
Originally posted by Enyalus
You don't need to. I have Vulcans appearances. Havok was amped by a star, they have similar energy powers (and are brothers), and Vulcan was attempting to block it, not steer it around him like he's done to Cyclopes.
vulcan isn't immune to his brother's powers...
Originally posted by Raoul
iirc, vulcan's ability to suppress powers was limited only to mutants... none of the dc team fit that criteria, imo...
Good point. He couldn't just instinctively know how to suppress MM's powers, or disconnect Wally from the Speed-Force for example.
Not that it really matters because Flash will still blitz them all IMO
Originally posted by Raoul
then...?oh, right, vulcan...
You didn't really refute anything I said. Vulcan's potential with respect to his abilities are unlimited. He can control magnetism and radiation on the electromagnetic spectrum, can absorb and manipulate energy, and supress others' abilities psionically. As for his energy absorption and supression, he was able to do so against The Eldest, who was being amped by his entire race.
And yeah, Pict - Vulcan kicked Havok's ass prior to that and was blasted out of the space ship. They were in a star field...and when Havok comes back, he says he got a boost. He was amped.
Originally posted by Enyalus
No, he couldn't disconnect Wally from the Speed Force. But J'onn? Yeah. He's a telepath. Vulcan knows it. What's the problem?
that vulcan's ability to suppress powers is limited to mutants?
i'm pretty sure it is anyways... mhmm
Originally posted by Enyalus
[B]You didn't really refute anything I said.
i didn't claim to refute anything.
Originally posted by Raoul
that vulcan's ability to suppress powers is limited to mutants?i'm pretty sure it is anyways... mhmm
No biased claims. 😛 Prove it or drop it.
Originally posted by Raoul
i didn't claim to refute anything.
You said 'then...?' like you were waiting for something. I was kinda lost as to what you wanted from me, lol.
Originally posted by Enyalus
No biased claims. 😛 Prove it or drop it.
how am i biased? i love the x-men...
the onus isn't on me to prove he can't, it's on you to prove he can... 😛
though i just checked UXN, and they said he can suppress mutant powers, though they didn't say anything about non mutants, and if i was going to trust anyone other than my memory, it'd be them...
it also begs the question as to why he didn't supress the powers of the imperial guard or that eldest guy...
You said 'then...?' like you were waiting for something. I was kinda lost as to what you wanted from me, lol.
i was confused for a sec, and i had to go back and check where the whole rachel thing had come from...
Originally posted by Enyalus
You didn't really refute anything I said. Vulcan's potential with respect to his abilities are unlimited. He can control magnetism and radiation on the electromagnetic spectrum, can absorb and manipulate energy, and supress others' abilities psionically. As for his energy absorption and supression, he was able to do so against The Eldest, who was being amped by his entire race.And yeah, Pict - Vulcan kicked Havok's ass prior to that and was blasted out of the space ship. They were in a star field...and when Havok comes back, he says he got a boost. He was amped.
The Elder was being amped by the few brothers around him. The rest were fighting the Shi'ar. And he didn't absorb that energy at all,he just cut the Elder off from it.
When was he boosted? Seriously? When he was ready to kill Vulcan (after giving him an ass kicking) he has to give up because Polaris was threatened. I can't remember himbeing boosted at all.
Originally posted by Raoul
how am i biased? i love the x-men...the onus isn't on me to prove he can't, it's on you to prove he can... 😛
though i just checked UXN, and they said he can suppress mutant powers, though they didn't say anything about non mutants, and if i was going to trust anyone other than my memory, it'd be them...
it also begs the question as to why he didn't supress the powers of the imperial guard or that eldest guy...
Wait wait wait, you're the one asserting blindly that his supression ability only works on mutants, and I'm the one who has to prove you wrong? Doesn't sound quite right.
And he did cut off The Eldest from his power.
Originally posted by Enyalus
[B]Wait wait wait, you're the one asserting blindly that his supression ability only works on mutants, and I'm the one who has to prove you wrong? Doesn't sound quite right.
no, i said i think it didn't...
i was talking about proving it would work on j'onn...
nothing blind about it, imo...
And he did cut off The Eldest from his power.
hmm, i need to go recheck that comic... any chance you have it to hand?
