Originally posted by The Pict
He cuts the Elder off in issue 4. It's after they defeat the first Elder and a second takes his place. Havok suggests that the kneeling brothers are directing all their energy to one individual.
If you have the issue then I suggest you stop spinning things.
Right here, upper left corner dialogue box is Havok speaking. This is just after he's blasted Vulcan into the wall after Vulcan thought he was dead:
Proof that he was amped by a star (or several of them, considering there were 13 in that star field.)
The Eldest is amped by his entire species:
I think there's a few more areas where that is mentioned, as well.
And Vulcan supresses all of that power:
Ta da.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Proof that he was amped by a star (or several of them, considering there were 13 in that star field.)
i never said he wasn't, just that vulcan isn't immune to his brothers powers the way scott would be...
The Eldest is amped by his entire species:
i don't dispute that...
And Vulcan supresses all of that power:Ta da.
hmm...
Originally posted by Raoul
i never said he wasn't, just that vulcan isn't immune to his brothers powers the way scott would be...
Clearly he isn't immune. 😛 He was injured by him, afterall.
And yeah, sorry for not clarifying. Part of that was in response to you, part was in response to Pict, who said it was only those nearby who were amping the Eldest.
Originally posted by Enyalus
If you have the issue then I suggest you stop spinning things.Right here, upper left corner dialogue box is Havok speaking. This is just after he's blasted Vulcan into the wall after Vulcan thought he was dead:
Proof that he was amped by a star (or several of them, considering there were 13 in that star field.)
I'm hardly spinning things. First I asked when he was amped by the star, I didn't say he wasn't. I specifically said at least twice I didn't remember when it happened.
Besides okay he got amped by a Star but we don't know how much power he gained or what his energy output was upped by. Do you think he's releasing star level energy time? I don't, but Superman can, or higher. I think your bigging up that feat/scene by Vulcan (and I dunno why because he couldn't manipulate Havok's energy shows as it messed him up and he was about to be killed)
Originally posted by Enyalus
The Eldest is amped by his entire species:
I think there's a few more areas where that is mentioned, as well.
It doesn't actually specify how many of the species amp his power. Vulcan comes closest when he says maybe his entire species.
Not that any of this matters, Flash still blitzes him.
the problem, as i see it, is that even if vulcan shuts down j'onn's TP, that still leaves any one of Superman, Wally, Hal or Diana that could put him down pretty quickly imo...
iceman, for all his power, is still bound by the fact that he's normal human when it comes to thought processing speed...
thor and hulk are obviously going to be the big guns for team marvel, and sentry's been getting a bad rap lately, but the JLA'ers have got the best flash, the best gl (at least imo), Manhunter, Wonder Woman, and Superman.
if the marvel team was changed, maybe they'd have more of a chance, imo...
Originally posted by Raoul
iceman, for all his power, is still bound by the fact that he's normal human when it comes to thought processing speed...
Iceman is probably the only one on the Marvel team that can instantly effect his opponents(Flash Freeze). The only one in this fight that would be able to operate FASTER than thought is Flash, HOWEVER we all know that his initial attack wouldnt be speed stealing. That alone would give Iceman time to at least process his attack before making it.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Iceman is probably the only one on the Marvel team that can instantly effect his opponents(Flash Freeze). The only one in this fight that would be able to operate FASTER than thought is Flash, HOWEVER we all know that his initial attack wouldnt be speed stealing. That alone would give Iceman time to at least process his attack before making it.
superman, wonder woman, and even j'onn can all operate faster than the speed of human thought...
Originally posted by Raoul
his reflexes are.
Silly Paul.
Remember the Stacy X period in uncanny x-men? Around Black Tom and Juggernaut's reappearance.
Nightcrawler stops by for a chat with Bobby and Bobby is watching two ice figures fight, when it turns out that he's creating, destroying and recreating them so fast that it actually looks like they're moving. That's pretty impressive imo.
Originally posted by Enyalus
And you can prove that, right?Bobby's a mutant. Why would he have human reflexes?
why wouldnt he unless it was otherwise stated? mutants start off as humans, unless its part of their mutation that they gain speed or reflexes, then they're human level...
Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Silly Paul.Remember the Stacy X period in uncanny x-men? Around Black Tom and Juggernaut's reappearance.
Nightcrawler stops by for a chat with Bobby and Bobby is watching two ice figures fight, when it turns out that he's creating, destroying and recreating them so fast that it actually looks like they're moving. That's pretty impressive imo.
that was always more control than speed, imo...
