So far, it just seems that Krayt created the sith with the purpose of him forever being the leader, and thereby initiating sith that are weaker than himself. While he's shown some considerable pwnage abilities by Legacy standards, there are plenty of people who are above him. While his knowledge is definitely superior to that of Marek's, Marek's raw force potency is ridiculous. Tough call though.
I would give the saber duel to Krayt due to the fact that he was a very impressive saber combatant during the Clone Wars, and he's had an extra 100 years to improve and refine his techniques. The problem with Galen winning the force duel is force knowledge and experience. Force potency can only take you so far and again, Krayt has shitloads of sith scrolls, holocrons, and 100+ years on Marek.
Originally posted by Darth SexyHe also has 100+ years and all those scrolls etc. on Vader and Caedus. Could he beat them?
I would give the saber duel to Krayt due to the fact that he was a very impressive saber combatant during the Clone Wars, and he's had an extra 100 years to improve and refine his techniques. The problem with Galen winning the force duel is force knowledge and experience. Force potency can only take you so far and again, Krayt has shitloads of sith scrolls, holocrons, and 100+ years on Marek.
u should use Yoda's new format cuz it makes things clearer..
hmm idk. since I don't really know much about krayt, I can't say much. but I think Galen will win. What techniques does Krayt have/use that Galen can't counter? and about the knowledge thing. How much has he learned since idk um when Anakin told him about his slaughter of the Tuskins on Tatoonine? I kno he went to korriban but i don't have the details on that. I know that he defeated Cade who was able to defeat talon and nihil. so Krayt must be pretty powerful.
Vader? Yes. The difference between Caedus and Marek is that Marek learned from Vader and it's very unlikely Vader knew some obscure technique that Krayt didn't. Caedus on the other hand, had the most broad, most obscure techniques in the star wars mythos. For instance, look at what Seff Heffin did in the new MF novel. Both Leia and Luke state that power is unnatural and he shouldn't have been able to do it, and from the way it was described, it seemed something Caedus learned from the Aing-Tii. Furthermore, Caedus is "a scion of Skywalker and Solo blood", if that means anything to you. But Caedus' techniques and years spent using the force, which was longer than Marek, would give him a win.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Vader? Yes. The difference between Caedus and Marek is that Marek learned from Vader and it's very unlikely Vader knew some obscure technique that Krayt didn't. Caedus on the other hand, had the most broad, most obscure techniques in the star wars mythos. For instance, look at what Seff Heffin did in the new MF novel. Both Leia and Luke state that power is unnatural and he shouldn't have been able to do it, and from the way it was described, it seemed something Caedus learned from the Aing-Tii. Furthermore, Caedus is "a scion of Skywalker and Solo blood", if that means anything to you. But Caedus' techniques and years spent using the force, which was longer than Marek, would give him a win.
wait... I thought we were talking about Starkiller vs. Krayt? not
Caedus
EDIT: sry nvm i didn't see the previous post
Originally posted by Gideon
No, he didn't.
While Palpatine had more techniques than anyone in the SW mythos, Jacen learned a lot on his 5 year sabbatical that Palpatine was unaware of, such as the flow walk. Hell, whatever it is Seff Heffin did that resembled an Aing Tii technique, as well. I doubt you're going to hide behind the "Palpatine knew everything" quote, so what is the argument?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I would give the saber duel to Krayt due to the fact that he was a very impressive saber combatant during the Clone Wars, and he's had an extra 100 years to improve and refine his techniques. The problem with Galen winning the force duel is force knowledge and experience. Force potency can only take you so far and again, Krayt has shitloads of sith scrolls, holocrons, and 100+ years on Marek.
that assumes that every year you get the same amount of increase in skill, if that were the case yoda who had 800 years as a jedi should have creamed the 60 or 70 year old palpatine but they dueled on even footing
Well, it seems that Palpatine's force potential exceeded Yoda's. And while Yoda had 800 years of training, Palpatine's training and force knowledge/mastery exceeded anybody in the entire Star Wars mythos. Besides politics, all Palpatine did was study the force in every aspect so his knowledge in 60 years would have been enormous. I think it's a little different for Marek who studied for maybe 10 years under Vader, against Krayt who studied for a hell of a lot longer under the guidance of ancient sith lord, holocrons, scrolls, etc. In most cases, Force Knowledge=Force Power.
Originally posted by Darth SexyMarek's study under Vader wasn't scholarly, so there's no way of comparing to Krayt's. The former spent every day from early childhood being abused, hardened, and nearly killed. He was like an experiement to Vader, and that is evident in his blatant disregard for anything remotely subtle.
I think it's a little different for Marek who studied for maybe 10 years under Vader,
latter spent the better part of a century against Krayt who studied for a hell of a lot longer under the guidance of ancient sith lord, holocrons, scrolls, etc. In most cases, Force Knowledge=Force Power.Those ancient Sith Lords thought of him as a joke, and apparently even their holocrons' gatekeepers had power enough to incapacitate him within his own armor.
And Krayt would own Vader. What is your point?Prove it. He may have a wider knowledge base and more techniques at his disposal, but Vader has by far the greater showings in both lightsaber ability and raw power. I see him throwing Krayt around like a toy.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
While Palpatine had more techniques than anyone in the SW mythos,
Yep.
Jacen learned a lot on his 5 year sabbatical that Palpatine was unaware of,
Prove it.
such as the flow walk.
Originally posted by Gideon
Prove it.
Hell, whatever it is Seff Heffin did that resembled an Aing Tii technique, as well.
Relevance? Is Seff Heffin Darth Caedus?
I doubt you're going to hide behind the "Palpatine knew everything" quote, so what is the argument?
Hide? I don't need to hide behind anything. Palpatine is the most knowledgeable Force user in the mythos, by far, period. There is no argument. Caedus had a broad swath of knowledge, but no evidence suggests that it surpasses Luke's or Yoda's -- much less Palpatine's.
@ Faunus is completely correct, btw.
Originally posted by Faunus
Galen, at least in the second two categories. The duel is a toss-up IMO, but someone who's read the novel may be able to shed some light on Marek's swordsmanship.
I've read the novel and Galen is a great swordsman.
SPOILERS!
He beats Rahm Kota, Maris Brood and Darth Vader in swordplay. PROXY, using the skills of Obi-Wan, Anakin, Qui-Gon and Darth Maul, is beaten each time. He also holds his own against Shaak Ti in a duel.
Galen has other victories but those were achieved primarily through Force powers.