galen marek at full power vs Darth Krayt at full power

Thank you chilled monkey - thank you with evidence from the novel. When the Emp said to Vader "deal with the boy" that is a simple order - kill him. Instead it went the other way around. Galen used his superior Force mastery against Vader. It's kinda of funny - Vader trained Starkiller to be a wrecking ball of the Force. I don't think Vader expected Galen Marek formerly known as Starkiller to use the very same training Vader gave him.

Vader underestimated Galen and so did Palp. Palp had to be somewhat curious on how Vader's apprentice handled the "chosen one." If he wasn't, he wouldn't have offered him the job of Sith Apprentice. Maybe Palp. saw that Galen was able to tap the raw Force and could become stronger than Vader, but that's just speculation.

You're welcome.

I notice that you ignored the part shortly after the "He whirled and danced around his Master's defenses, testing them to their limits" quote.

"I understand you now," he said, still trying to goad his former master into breaking his concentration. "You killed my father and kidnapped me from Kashyyyk, not just to be your apprentice, but to be a son to you. Was that how your father treated you?"

The intensity of Darth Vader's attacks redoubled. "I have no father."

The apprentice fell back under the rain of blows. The sizzling of fabric and a faint stink of burning skin told him that at least two of Darth Vader's misses had been horribly near, but he felt no pain. He, on the other hand, had definitely struck a nerve.

And moments later...

Reaching out with his left hand, he blasted his Master with Sith lightning. That broke the momentum of the furious onslaught, enabling him to stand and catch his breath.

It's after that when Galen manages to injure Vader as in the quote you provided. Interesting how it's only after he electrocutes Vader (Something Vader is known to be weak against) that he manages to gain the upper hand in the lightsaber battle. And this is after Vader manages to strike him at least two times (Indicated by the comment that he smelled burning skin, and heard the fabric of his clothing being burned), and forces the apprentice to use the Force to break away.

Perhaps he wasn't being godstomped by Vader, but Vader held the clear advantage in the beginning, and drove Galen to using the Force to break away from the saber battle when Galen angered him.

And yet the force lightning that took down military vehicles didn't kill someone that has a weakness to it.

Originally posted by VinCon01
I notice that you ignored the part shortly after the "He whirled and danced around his Master's defenses, testing them to their limits" quote.

[B]"I understand you now," he said, still trying to goad his former master into breaking his concentration. "You killed my father and kidnapped me from Kashyyyk, not just to be your apprentice, but to be a son to you. Was that how your father treated you?"

The intensity of Darth Vader's attacks redoubled. "I have no father."

The apprentice fell back under the rain of blows. The sizzling of fabric and a faint stink of burning skin told him that at least two of Darth Vader's misses had been horribly near, but he felt no pain. He, on the other hand, had definitely struck a nerve.

And moments later...

Reaching out with his left hand, he blasted his Master with Sith lightning. That broke the momentum of the furious onslaught, enabling him to stand and catch his breath.

It's after that when Galen manages to injure Vader as in the quote you provided. Interesting how it's only after he electrocutes Vader (Something Vader is known to be weak against) that he manages to gain the upper hand in the lightsaber battle. And this is after Vader manages to strike him at least two times (Indicated by the comment that he smelled burning skin, and heard the fabric of his clothing being burned), and forces the apprentice to use the Force to break away.

Perhaps he wasn't being godstomped by Vader, but Vader held the clear advantage in the beginning, and drove Galen to using the Force to break away from the saber battle when Galen angered him. [/B]

It is also indicated in the comment that Galen didn't feel any pain from those so-called 'strikes.' I don't consider 'strikes' that the opponent doesn't even feel to be a clear advantage.

Plus, you claimed that Galen was on the losing end throughout before disarming Vader with the Force and throwing a generator at him. Prior to that he had dealt Vader three serious blows, as opposed to Vader managing to score two (at best) grazes that didn't hinder Galen at all, or even hurt him.

Finally, prior to Vader going berserk over that 'father' line, Galen was matching him perfectly in swordplay. Again, not on the 'losing' end.

Originally posted by DorianYates
And yet the force lightning that took down military vehicles didn't kill someone that has a weakness to it.

He wasn't using two hands, and wasn't charged etc.
He also wasn't concentrating on using his full power in blasting vader, just to get him to stop his onslaught. of course he tried to use as much power as possible, but in my mind, it was like a distraction so he can catch his breath. Its also hard to use a saber and force lightning at the same time...

Originally posted by kotorfan
He wasn't using two hands, and wasn't charged etc.
He also wasn't concentrating on using his full power in blasting vader, just to get him to stop his onslaught. of course he tried to use as much power as possible, but in my mind, it was like a distraction so he can catch his breath. Its also hard to use a saber and force lightning at the same time...

Precisely, thank you. As you say yourself, that lightning was just a brief burst to distract Vader. Meaning it didn't cause him any appreciable harm, or slow him down etc at all.

Meaning that Galen then landing blows on him does not detract from Galen's sword skills in any way.

I doubt that the lightning he unleashed was to merely distract vader, if he wanted to simply distract vader why couldn't he use telekinesis which is far more effective to distract? Like using a FP or seizing a telekinetic storm to throw vader off balance.

And kotorfan, galen not using 2 hands for force lightning does not equate to it being "weak" and if that was the case any jedi weilding 2 sabers would defeat any jedi/sith wielding one.

And when was the last time you saw sidious "charge" his force lightning?

All throughout RoTS I was waiting for Sidious to plant his feet, pull his hands to his side and: Ka-me-ha...

Originally posted by DorianYates
I doubt that the lightning he unleashed was to merely distract vader, if he wanted to simply distract vader why couldn't he use telekinesis which is far more effective to distract? Like using a FP or seizing a telekinetic storm to throw vader off balance.

He was in the middle of a fight. He didn't exactly have time to think about what would be the best approach. He used lightning because it was the first thing that came to mind.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
He was in the middle of a fight. He didn't exactly have time to think about what would be the best approach. He used lightning because it was the first thing that came to mind.

Do you have any proof to that?

And yet the force lightning that took down military vehicles didn't kill someone that has a weakness to it.

Bear in mind that it was unlikely that Marek was at full power. He had just fought his way through the Death Star as well as engaging in an exhausting saber duel, probably the hardest of his life. Prior to his uber-one-with-force state, he was probably nakkered.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
He was in the middle of a fight. He didn't exactly have time to think about what would be the best approach. He used lightning because it was the first thing that came to mind.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Do you have any proof to that?

It's called common sense. When you're fighting for your life you don't exactly have all the time in the world to calmly assess your options and pick the best one.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I support this. Spur of the moment attack.

Thank you.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
It's called common sense. When you're fighting for your life you don't exactly have all the time in the world to calmly assess your options and pick the best one.

We see Galen taken out imperial walkers and entire armies with lightning, but we are suppose to assume he used a weaker version during the hardest battle of his life?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
We see Galen taken out imperial walkers and entire armies with lightning, but we are suppose to assume he used a weaker version during the hardest battle of his life?

It's like if you're in a fight and you get knocked to the ground. You don't have time to search around for a big rock, stand up, take aim, and throw it. You grab a fistful of sand and huck it, hoping it will distract your opponent long enough so you can regain a footing.

Galen was fighting the most powerful Sith other than Sidious and of course he would be worn out. Vader and Galen were slugging it out with everything at their disposal - lightsabers, Force and junk around them. Vader had to know at that exact moment that this kid was playing for keeps - it was no longer "training" but a fight to the death. Think of it as this - Bruce Lee vs Jet Li.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
He was in the middle of a fight. He didn't exactly have time to think about what would be the best approach. He used lightning because it was the first thing that came to mind.

And considering mareks incredible force prowess, i doubt the lightning he unleashed even due to it being in retaliation would be nothing less than lethal.

Do you seriously think that if someone punchs me in the face, the punch that i throw back at him in retaliation would be nothing but weak? Even if i didn't use my full strength the impact is still going to cause alot of damage ESPECIALLY if i hit one of his vital points.

The same can be said for the lightning incident between marek and vader and your trying to imply that mareks lightning was weak because he didn't charge up.

And galen WAS at full power when he battled vader, him tooling imperial soldiers isn't going to drastically limit his capabilities to go all out against a very powerfukl sith lord.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It's perhaps because it was the hardest fight of his life that the Lightning in this instance wasn't at full strength. A fight with Vader would be exhausting, after an already extensive adventure through the Death Star. Not to mention if Galen "charges" his attack he pust himself at risk of retaliation by Vader.

It's like if you're in a fight and you get knocked to the ground. You don't have time to search around for a big rock, stand up, take aim, and throw it. You grab a fistful of sand and huck it, hoping it will distract your opponent long enough so you can regain a footing.

except using lightning only requires extenting your arms. There is nothing to search for.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He was drained physically. How does that affect how his lightning works? Since when does anyone charge their lightning?

except using lightning only requires extenting your arms. There is nothing to search for.

Granted, Marek wasn't exhausted, but dueling Darth Vader promises to be a taxing enterprise. He's not gonna spend his energy reserves in a distraction move. And Lightning would be a good distracting move. It's fast... not crippling no, but Vader would still block or dodge it.