Vin & Dorian you raise good points, but Vader underestimated Galen. He probably again I state probably expected him to fight like a Jedi. But Galen fought him the way Vader trained him - a weapon of the Force. Galen may have been at a disadvantage in the beginning, but Gideon taught me that Force mastery is stronger than a high midichlorian count. Galen used that in his saber duel with Vader and when the support beams were torn down and Galen, crushed Vader with them, guess what - the lightsaber duel swung in Galen's favor.
...Vader would likely have greater Force Mastery than Galen, and fewer midichlorians. That aside, it's not a lightsaber duel if you barely use your lightsaber, and rely almost solely on the Force. And as before, the novel illustrates that Galen was on the losing end of the majority of that battle, and just barely scraped by when he hurled an electrical generator at Vader...Which blew up in the man's face.
Why do I state that? The saber duel swung in Galen's favor - he rolled Vader's wrists causing the lightsaber to fly out of his hands. Galen knew how to fight - Force incorporated with saber.
Um, no. He didn't use his saber to disarm Vader. The novel states, and I quote, "His lightsaber went skittering and sparking across the floor, twisted out of his grip by telekinesis." He disarmed Vader with the Force, just as he only ever gained an advantage when using the Force...And even then, he was unable to do so until the end.
Vin, in a close combat situation if you look closely, Galen did roll Vader's wrists and then used TK to knock it out of his hands. That's a basic swordsmanship. Galen had stronger Force mastery than Vader because his affinity to the Force increased. Galen may not have had as a high midichlorian count as Vader, but his mastery of the Force was stronger.
You stated that Vader had greater Force mastery than Galen. Then why did Vader lose to a quasi Jedi Knight? Can you explain that? Galen was able to tap the raw power of the Force. Gideon or someone else - did Anakin then Vader was able to tap the raw power? Vader let Starkiller take his own path and when he encountered his fought his old apprentice now a Jedi Knight whose real name was Galen Marek. It is obvious that Galen discovered aspects of the Force that Vader never taught him.
I do not believe that Galen had a higher midichlorian count than Vader. I know of only two - Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus and Luke. We have to wait to see how strong Ben will become. But Galen had better Force mastery.
Originally posted by GideonTrying to do anything with the vast majority of Halo 3 players is tantamount to banging your head against a wall. I suggest you switch to CoD4.
Yeah. I believe I've lost about a dozen IQ points; I've been sucking at Halo 3 and forming simple sentences. My logic remains impeccable, however.
Are you going to send me the Sidious and Byss argument today?Someday.
Originally posted by Publius II
I posted an IGN article about BF3 in the Literature section. The version we saw in the Kotaku video will never be released, and the new developers apparently did away with the ground/orbit travel and replaced it with a cutscene.
Let's pop into the BF3 thread then to discuss.
Vin, in a close combat situation if you look closely, Galen did roll Vader's wrists and then used TK to knock it out of his hands. That's a basic swordsmanship. Galen had stronger Force mastery than Vader because his affinity to the Force increased. Galen may not have had as a high midichlorian count as Vader, but his mastery of the Force was stronger.
Except for the part where that never takes place in the novel, and has conflicting depictions in the games depending on the console. The novel also depicts his "Force mastery" as similar to Vader's level, as they exchange several Force-related attacks, both of them showing some difficulty repelling the other's attempts.
Galen's only real advantage in that battle was stamina. He outlasted Vader.
You stated that Vader had greater Force mastery than Galen. Then why did Vader lose to a quasi Jedi Knight? Can you explain that? Galen was able to tap the raw power of the Force. Gideon or someone else - did Anakin then Vader was able to tap the raw power? Vader let Starkiller take his own path and when he encountered his fought his old apprentice now a Jedi Knight whose real name was Galen Marek. It is obvious that Galen discovered aspects of the Force that Vader never taught him.
Because having superior abilities doesn't mean you automatically win the fight. If that were the case, Luke would have godstomped Jacen and Lumiya, Palpatine would have crushed Vader, Galen, or RotJ Luke with a maniacal giggle, and half of the non-Force Sensitives out there would be long dead rather than surviving their encounters with Force users.
I do not believe that Galen had a higher midichlorian count than Vader. I know of only two - Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus and Luke. We have to wait to see how strong Ben will become. But Galen had better Force mastery.
I don't recall it ever being stated anywhere that Luke or Solo had higher midichlorian counts...In fact, I don't really recall them being mentioned all that often at all outside of TPM.
And again, Galen's "Force Mastery" lead to him being more or less equal to Vader, aside from having superior stamina, in the novel. And if I'm not mistaken, the novelizations of games are generally the "official" versions (Especially when the game versions conflict one another).
Originally posted by VinCon01
...Vader would likely have greater Force Mastery than Galen, and fewer midichlorians. That aside, it's not a lightsaber duel if you barely use your lightsaber, and rely almost solely on the Force. And as before, the novel illustrates that Galen was on the losing end of the majority of that battle, and just barely scraped by when he hurled an electrical generator at Vader...Which blew up in the man's face.]
Pardon?
Here is a quote:
""You are weak" the apprentice said as his former Master launched a second series of bone-crushing blows, each one of which he blocked with elegant precision.
Darth Vader fought brilliantly, never employing anything less than a killing stroke. His intention was lethal. All he needed was one slip, one tiny gap in his opponent's defences.
The apprentice vowed not to give him one. He whirled and danced around his Master's defences, testing them to their limit."
Doesn't sound like losing to me. Sounds to me like he's more than holding his own.
Originally posted by VinCon01
[B]...Um, no. He didn't use his saber to disarm Vader. The novel states, and I quote, "His lightsaber went skittering and sparking across the floor, [B]twisted out of his grip by telekinesis." He disarmed Vader with the Force, just as he only ever gained an advantage when using the Force...And even then, he was unable to do so until the end. [/B]
And prior to that:
""I don't hate you," the apprentice went on, blocking him blow for blow. "I pity you." With a new strength of his own, he forced Darth Vader onto his back foot."
"The lightsabres flashed again - and it was the apprentice who found the chink in the armour that both of them had been waiting for. Vader's lightsaber moved too slowly to block a blow to his chest, allowing the apprentice's blade to slash deeply across his armoured throat"
"His former Master barely blocked the blow. A second scored a deep wound across his black-clad shoulder. A third stabbed deep into his thigh.
Darth Vader reeled backwards, servos whining in his injured limbs and lightsaber shaking."
Galen wiped the floor with Vader in swordsmanship.