Kratos vs Dante

Originally posted by Burning thought
explain, I know its not gameplay but explain, I think now your just saying gameplay because ime tripping you up on it, typical thing a child in a similiar situation would do.

Its also a factual ability Kain possesses, as the storyline text says, so although it does only [b]happen in gameplay, that is irrelvent, it also has in-universe storyline backing up kains powers and in the storyline he has indeed manipulated souls, the sword he uses is also known in the story to rip souls, but since you know nothing of LOK series, you wouldnt know this 🙂

go and learn to debate then try and do it, dont bring up childish nonsense such as saying something is gameplay and not backing it up. Kains soul powers are specificly outlined and KAIN HIMSELF says so by each of his own spells:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

and his sword:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/weapons.php

now go away, find some real evidence for your Sparda cannon nonsense then return, or simply concede and own up that you goofed 😄 [/B]

It's not gameplay? I havent seen it used in cutscenes once. Half of the crap you say isn't proof(mostly all the stuff).

That's just some unoffcial site(not the official site). That isn't even official. Just something the fanboys typed up. I can easily to go wikipedia and type anything. Does that mean it's true? No.

Originally posted by Gumachi
It's not gameplay? I havent seen it used in cutscenes once. Half of the crap you say isn't proof

That's just some unoffcial site(not the official site). That isn't even official. Just something the fanboys typed up. I can easily to go wikipedia and type anything. Does that mean it's true? No.

lie, also stop trying to dodge giving evidence, go and find evidence.....

Wikipedia can be accessed by anyone, that site is not,its also an approved and looked over site for defiance and is seen as part of the community:

http://www.eidos.co.uk/gss/lokdefiance/

Originally posted by Burning thought
lie, also stop trying to dodge giving evidence, go and find evidence.....

Wikipedia can be accessed by anyone, that site is not,its also an approved and looked over site for defiance and is seen as part of the community:

http://www.eidos.co.uk/gss/lokdefiance/

Dodge? Like how your dodging Soul ripping is in gameplay. Like I said just a fanboy site. It's not even official.

I just gave all the evidence for soul ripping and evidence for it being seen as part of the community, youve yet to prove or reason anything, youve not even got a base for your argument, your simply argueing because ive already kicked you on your ass and now your crying and whining like a child whos got a slap on the wrists for pinching cookies...stamp your feet all you want, ime not returning to debate with you, and I doubt anyone else will seriously until you cough up real evidence and more importantly, a real base for your arguments

Originally posted by Burning thought
I just gave all the evidence for soul ripping and evidence for it being seen as part of the community, youve yet to prove or reason anything, youve not even got a base for your argument, your simply argueing because ive already kicked you on your ass and now your crying and whining like a child whos got a slap on the wrists for pinching cookies...stamp your feet all you want, ime not returning to debate with you, and I doubt anyone else will seriously until you cough up real evidence and more importantly, a real base for your arguments

Soul ripping is NOT part of the storyline. Kicked my ass? I just owned you like you get owned by every other person. I'm not the one who's getting angry over a video game. Soul ripping is not part of the storyline. And only used in gameplay. You rarely have evidence. When you have that from the creators saying it's part of the storyline then you'll be right(or the offcial site)other than that don't make up crap. And Dante transformed into Sparda in a cutscene(in DMC1).

Originally posted by Burning thought
You constantly go on about how he gains tonnes of spells from the lifestream, when in fact he rarely uses ANY spels at all in canon storyline.

Instagability is being incorporal which means non material, mist form for all intents and purposes for this thread...i.e being stepped on by a physical being such as a Titan, is pretty much incorporal. But thats not the point, the fact is, mist form would escape a titan trying to crush him. [/B]

And being incorporeal means you have no substance/physical matter at all. Which would allow you to travel through physical things. Being mist would probably only protect him from a swordswing, and not some kind of spell. Also in Defiance he was only able to Mist for a very short period of time

Originally posted by Terryc250
I said Sephiroth has a source of magic with his Negative Lifestream. Is the lifestream the source of magic in FF7, yes thats fact. And i've proven to you the Negative Lifestream works as a source of magic, even his remnants who have some power over it could use it, obviously Sephiroth who created/has full control over it can as well. These things are fact, which is quite different from Kain's [b]optional gameplay spell, that was no where in the plot.

And being incorporeal means you have no substance/physical matter at all. Which would allow you to travel through physical things. Being mist would probably only protect him from a swordswing, and not some kind of spell. Also in Defiance he was only able to Mist for a very short period of time [/B]

Youve proven it can be used for limited means of magic , not that it actually gives any spells other than those shown yet you seem to insist it does. And the fact their optional is nothing, as i said before taking Player decisions such as the option into account is nothing, its a player AND gameplay decision, the spells themselves have actual Kain text making sure they excist. That is fact, Sephirth gaining any more than those Neg lifestream beasts as a spell is an assumption.

Thats not true, he only did it for a short period of time, he was never required to do it for longer and in the other games when he was required to do it for longer he could do so indefinatley. It would save him from anything wouldnt it, that couldnt actuall hit all the mist, if that would even do anything, you cant destroy mist.

Originally posted by Burning thought
]Youve proven it can be used for limited means of magic , not that it actually gives any spells other than those shown yet you seem to insist it does. And the fact their optional is nothing, as i said before taking Player decisions such as the option into account is nothing, its a player AND gameplay decision, the spells themselves have actual Kain text making sure they excist. That is fact, Sephirth gaining any more than those Neg lifestream beasts as a spell is an assumption.

Thats not true, he only did it for a short period of time, he was never required to do it for longer and in the other games when he was required to do it for longer he could do so indefinatley. It would save him from anything wouldnt it, that couldnt actuall hit all the mist, if that would even do anything, you cant destroy mist. [/B]

Where's your evidence that Mist is invincible? Mist is only hard to hit physically, but it should be even more prone to magic spells like ice and fire.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Because the Negative Lifestream is made up of exactly what the lifestream is, there is no difference except for it has Sephiroth influence over it, other then that, it's the same. It can be used as a source of magic, that is fact. It's optional dialogue, which every optional thing in just about every game has, it does not make it canon. No it's not an assumption because the NL and the Lifestream are the same thing, like i said before, Jenova cells would not take away any of the lifestreams powers, when humans are injected with j-cells do they lose any powers? No, they GAIN powers. If anything it would strengthen the lifestream with jenova powers. Lifestream was the source of regular human life, Negative lifestream was the source of Loz, Yazoo, Kadaj.

So show me Kain doing it for more then 10 seconds.

Where's your evidence that Mist is invincible? Mist is only hard to hit physically, but it should be even more prone to magic spells like ice and fire.

Its not in every game, not even close. Certainly not by the main character. yet neither any of them nor Sephiorth showed any of these powers.....even tho they had many chances to do so, 10 mins of Sephiroth is more than enough to do a spell or two but nope...Loz and the rest were in it the entire time and summoned nothing but shadowy creepers....fact

ok:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8FUfRsQi2WE

YouTube video

why? thats not even logical, fire doesnt do much to mist, neither does ice...if so, show me fire/ice effecting mist? ice creates a sort of mist from its coldness, fire makes more mist...same thing, infact you would more likely create the entire battlefield as a mist plain.

Can't ice just like freeze over the mist? Or maybe something like poison in the air or something could effect the mist.

Why are we argueing about Seph in a Kratos vs Dante thread?

You ingrates aren't arguing about Kratos OR Dante anymore, in other words, stfu.

The only way to kill Dante is by ripping out his heart with a Devil Arm(which is said in the anime and it's canon).

Kratos. he's stronger and he has more manuverability with his blades because of the chains, more experience and insane durability. not to mention even regular Kratos is at least 10 times stronger than Dante. Kratos definitely has power. Dante has an edge because of his guns but I assume Kratos has magic so that takes care of that. his sword has nothing going against the blades of chaos which are also magical and give Kratos amazing range.
the only thing going for Fagte is that he's got the healing factor and that he's faster. but from what I can remember, even Kratos has some degree of advanced healing.
IMO, Kratos just catches dante and rips him in half. or he starts playing the "quit shooting yourself" game with dante and his guns.

Kratos 7/10.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
Kratos. he's stronger and he has more manuverability with his blades because of the chains, more experience and insane durability. not to mention even regular Kratos is at least 10 times stronger than Dante. Kratos definitely has power. Dante has an edge because of his guns but I assume Kratos has magic so that takes care of that. his sword has nothing going against the blades of chaos which are also magical and give Kratos amazing range.
the only thing going for Fagte is that he's got the healing factor and that he's faster. but from what I can remember, even Kratos has some degree of advanced healing.
IMO, Kratos just catches dante and rips him in half. or he starts playing the "quit shooting yourself" game with dante and his guns.

Kratos 7/10.

~Sado

He wouldn't just rip him he has only done that to undead soliders. Dante wouldn't allow him to grab him. He does that in GAMEPLAY(but it's your call). Kratos can't heal. Sparda Sword>Blades of Chaos

He wouldn't just rip him he has only done that to undead soliders. Dante wouldn't allow him to grab him. He does that in GAMEPLAY(but it's your call). Kratos can't heal. Sparda Sword>Blades of Chaos

Originally posted by Gumachi
The only way to kill Dante is by ripping out his heart with a Devil Arm(which is said in the anime and it's canon).

Originally posted by Sado22
okay, so by that logic, Kratos won't let dante touch him with that sword 😐

You haven't seen the sword have you?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
It's a good thing that the anime is noncanon then.

No. It follows(?)the storyline. I guy a while back posted something about a anime and you(people)didn't say anything to him.

For christs sakes kid read the rules of this forum, the rules stated quite clearly only things from the DMC GAMES themselves are canon for Dante