Gumachi:
sooooo...your implying that Dante CAN NOT die? no disresepct...but if so you are mistaken.
I've read through more than one Kratos vs. Dante poata and...while i will admit you gove solid reasons for Dante wining unlike most people...you still go back to some core problems:
1) DANTE CAN DIE: this is a basic princeable of all hack-n-slash games...If i remember correctly...when you lose with Dante (and i don't care how beastly you are in the game it happens) i don't recall Dante saying uncle and letting the boss go on his or her merry way. he keels over and dies...right in front of your face...SOOOOO lets say that BOTH characters are able to die and please PLEASE leave this irrelevant argument alone.
2)Kratos didnt beg for all of his powers. the ONLY thing he begged for was his life...with aries in the explanation b4 the gameplay. but i understand how people who like DMC as a game wouldnt like to include a storyline/plot from the game since itis SERIOUSLY lacking in tht aspect
3)Kratos is a demi-god. its revealed in the end of both GOW & GOW2 that Zeus is Kratos father...which means that he is on the same level as dante in this aspect. the arguement would then become who is more powerful, a god or a demon? personally im going w/ gods on this one but thtts just me
4) the only 'power' that dante has that is his own is the DT, ebony & ivory and rebellion. other than that ALL HIS POWERS COME FROM ELSEWHERE. Sparda's sword= not Dante's, tht enire list of weapons you listed= NOT DANTE's. plz stop flaming ppl who mention kratos other wepons as if dante came out of mommy sparda with 20 different sycthes, swords, gaunlets etc. the truth is at the end of the day...NEITHER of them started out w/ all of the weapons they later posess. and personally would think that the blade of olympus would own yamato simply because while yamato did seal hell, the BoO destroyed ALL of the titans in an instant. IN essence...th BoO destroyed while yamato is being used to keep a door shut( closing the gates of hell)...i would think death and massive destuction would win out in the senario as well
Kratos you are using gameplay mechanics, much like Gumachi does to a degree that makes me wonder if you are him.
either way, you use also titles and irrelvent nonsense such as spiecies to try and give your characters a win...
Furthermore the Blade of Olmypus did not destroy all the titans, it imprisoned them.
Originally posted by Burning thought
They were just statues....which isnt saying much in DMC because the demons are weak
Its a tiny handgun, thats all it is, and it can be powered up by his devil energies, thats about it....they still have very few feats that are impressive, they cant even damage little wooden snooker balls in DMC 3
oh and thats unimpressive....when was Dante impaled right through the head then and lived?
No he cant, a human was exploded by the blade of Olympus, Zeus was impaled many many times and still survived without a cut on him.
but hes not a human, ive proven that hes a Demi- God and has shown to be able to survive the weight of the Colossus' hand, which is far heavier and more dangerous than the litlte bullets that cant damage snooker balls...
And Dante would die as soon as he is hit by the Blade of Olmypus beam, let alone the Sword itself, or he would be killed by Tornado blasts from Typhons bane.
[b]just LIKE a God
....she didnt say he was one... [/B]
So? Still Gods of Time and Space.
So? Killed by a hand gun? A God in GOW:Mobile was killed by The Blades of Chaos. Shittiest excuse I have heard.
Who said anything about impaled in the head?
Dante isn't a human. Hell a Cerberus Pup got blasted by The Blade's blast and lived. Dreadnought he asorbs the energy and use RoyalRelease. And if he gets impaled Magin Devil Trigger[Sparda DT] and 1 hit kill Kratos. Prove to me he will. You make up the most bullshit. Why can't it kill bosses then? Sparda's Sword will kill him.
Dante would slow/stop time and chop Krato's in half like he did Vergil or Slow/Stop time and use Judgment Cut and chop him in half.
Dreadnought for The Blade's Energies.
If Collosus' Hand nearly killed him, what makes you think that 100,000 magical bullets going at mini-gun speed won't?
It's a DemiGod vs Demigod. [The Most Powerful Demon Swordsman vs The Most Powerful God]
[And since Zeus were given his lighting bolts he was just a normal human[?]
Originally posted by kratos71486
Gumachi:sooooo...your implying that Dante CAN NOT die? no disresepct...but if so you are mistaken.
I've read through more than one Kratos vs. Dante poata and...while i will admit you gove solid reasons for Dante wining unlike most people...you still go back to some core problems:
1) DANTE CAN DIE: this is a basic princeable of all hack-n-slash games...If i remember correctly...when you lose with Dante (and i don't care how beastly you are in the game it happens) i don't recall Dante saying uncle and letting the boss go on his or her merry way. he keels over and dies...right in front of your face...SOOOOO lets say that BOTH characters are able to die and please PLEASE leave this irrelevant argument alone.
2)Kratos didnt beg for all of his powers. the ONLY thing he begged for was his life...with aries in the explanation b4 the gameplay. but i understand how people who like DMC as a game wouldnt like to include a storyline/plot from the game since itis SERIOUSLY lacking in tht aspect
3)Kratos is a demi-god. its revealed in the end of both GOW & GOW2 that Zeus is Kratos father...which means that he is on the same level as dante in this aspect. the arguement would then become who is more powerful, a god or a demon? personally im going w/ gods on this one but thtts just me
4) the only 'power' that dante has that is his own is the DT, ebony & ivory and rebellion. other than that ALL HIS POWERS COME FROM ELSEWHERE. Sparda's sword= not Dante's, tht enire list of weapons you listed= NOT DANTE's. plz stop flaming ppl who mention kratos other wepons as if dante came out of mommy sparda with 20 different sycthes, swords, gaunlets etc. the truth is at the end of the day...NEITHER of them started out w/ all of the weapons they later posess. and personally would think that the blade of olympus would own yamato simply because while yamato did seal hell, the BoO destroyed ALL of the titans in an instant. IN essence...th BoO destroyed while yamato is being used to keep a door shut( closing the gates of hell)...i would think death and massive destuction would win out in the senario as well
1.Idiot that's gameplay.
2.Never played God of War? He traded his SOUL for power. Don't forget Zeus was given his lighting bolts.
3.Dante has defeated Gods.
4.The Blade=Not Krato's. And the rest of his. Flaming? Your the one coming in here and it SEEMS your flaming me. Honestly your right none of their powers are theirs[I've said that].
Like i've said the ONLY WAY to KILL Dante is to rip out his heart with a Devil Arm[Which Kratos doesn't have][Underworld forged weapon]or wear down his regeneration ability this is stated by Capcom. As for The Blade's attack he isn't gonna hit him withTrickster/Dark Slayer[Teleportation]Ability.
And how is Kratos going to stop this[and not the Argosax verison]?
YouTube video And he can be AFAR. And sealed in Hell[the Hell in the bible not Hades]under his own power
Originally posted by Gumachi
So? Still Gods of Time and Space.So? Killed by a hand gun? A God in GOW:Mobile was killed by The Blades of Chaos. Shittiest excuse I have heard.
Who said anything about impaled in the head?
Dante isn't a human. Hell a Cerberus Pup got blasted by The Blade's blast and lived. Dreadnought he asorbs the energy and use RoyalRelease. And if he gets impaled Magin Devil Trigger[Sparda DT] and 1 hit kill Kratos. Prove to me he will. You make up the most bullshit. Why can't it kill bosses then? Sparda's Sword will kill him.
Dante would slow/stop time and chop Krato's in half like he did Vergil or Slow/Stop time and use Judgment Cut and chop him in half.
Dreadnought for The Blade's Energies.
If Collosus' Hand nearly killed him, what makes you think that 100,000 magical bullets going at mini-gun speed won't?
It's a DemiGod vs Demigod. [The Most Powerful Demon Swordsman vs The Most Powerful God]
[And since Zeus were given his lighting bolts he was just a normal human[?]
A statue is not a real being....its a piece of metal or wood or stone, w/e the people want to make an idol out of...
you did, you said how its unimpressive that the fates died by one impalement in the head...so ime asking you to show me Dante or someone in DMC surviving it...
no hes half human, but hes got an enormous amount of attributes towards being human. Show me the pup getting blasted? unless your talking about gameplay (I know you are) then dont bother....
prove what will? and while being serious name one thing ive made up or invented...I dare you...
I dont think Yamato is part of Dantes basic equipment that he gets, and thus would not get it in the thread, its usually vergils sword, Dante simply uses it for a while in DMC 4, its not a consistent Dante weapon. Although I agree, slowing/stopping time with a judgement slash would likely kill Kratos
because the colossus' hand is more of a hit, the guns bullets cant break snooker balls...
Where does it say Zeus was given his thunderbolts?
Originally posted by Gumachi
Like i've said the ONLY WAY to KILL Dante is to rip out his heart with a Devil Arm[Which Kratos doesn't have][Underworld forged weapon]or wear down his regeneration ability this is stated by Capcom. As for The Blade's attack he isn't gonna hit him withTrickster/Dark Slayer[Teleportation]Ability.And how is Kratos going to stop this[and not the Argosax verison]?
YouTube video And he can be AFAR. And sealed in Hell[the Hell in the bible not Hades]under his own power
nonsense, thats a no limits fallacy, an in-universe rule but more importantly, its an anime quote as youve said yourself whihc is against the forums rules....
Jackpot is slow, first it took about 2 seconds to charge and fire....then it took the blasts a fair while to hit mundus, like 3 seconds and he was a very short distance away.
Originally posted by Burning thought
A statue is not a real being....its a piece of metal or wood or stone, w/e the people want to make an idol out of...you did, you said how its unimpressive that the fates died by one impalement in the head...so ime asking you to show me Dante or someone in DMC surviving it...
no hes half human, but hes got an enormous amount of attributes towards being human. Show me the pup getting blasted? unless your talking about gameplay (I know you are) then dont bother....prove what will? and while being serious name one thing ive made up or invented...I dare you...
I dont think Yamato is part of Dantes basic equipment that he gets, and thus would not get it in the thread, its usually vergils sword, Dante simply uses it for a while in DMC 4, its not a consistent Dante weapon. Although [b]I agree, slowing/stopping time with a judgement slash would likely kill Kratos
because the colossus' hand is more of a hit, the guns bullets cant break snooker balls...
Where does it say Zeus was given his thunderbolts?
nonsense, thats a no limits fallacy, an in-universe rule but more importantly, its an anime quote as youve said yourself whihc is against the forums rules....
Jackpot is slow, first it took about 2 seconds to charge and fire....then it took the blasts a fair while to hit mundus, like 3 seconds and he was a very short distance away. [/B]
Devil May Cry 2, Prologue: "One recent tale, only a few hundred years old, told of a great swordsman appearing from 'the outside' to aid in exorcising the most evil god of all time[Argosax]."
So? It's still God of Time and Space.
Never said they died. They were weakened. Gameplay yes. Because The Blade's beams attack hasn't been used outside of gameplay either.
WTF are you talking about?
The most bullshit excuse i've heard. He used it in DMC4. Your just using excuses now. Non of Kratos magic is his then. Rebellion cuts him in half. So are you admitting Dante kill Kratos? If Dante can't use Yamato, Kratos can't use The Blade because it isn't his weapon.
Still though a magical bullet hits his head 100,000 of them at minigun speed=death.
Greek Myth.
It was stated by Capcom also. And it's stating a canon fact about Dante. You can't deny what the creators said either.
Another excuse you bring up. WTF does that have to do? It's slow and it hits Kratos regardless and seals him in Hell. And it took fast to hit him. Kratos can't stop it.
Originally posted by Gumachi
Devil May Cry 2, Prologue: "One recent tale, only a few hundred years old, told of a great swordsman appearing from 'the outside' to aid in exorcising the most evil god of all time[Argosax]."So? It's still God of Time and Space.
Never said they died. They were weakened. Gameplay yes. Because The Blade's beams attack hasn't been used outside of gameplay either.
WTF are you talking about?
The most bullshit excuse i've heard. He used it in DMC4. Your just using excuses now. Non of Kratos magic is his then. Rebellion cuts him in half. So are you admitting Dante kill Kratos? If Dante can't use Yamato, Kratos can't use The Blade because it isn't his weapon.
Still though a magical bullet hits his head 100,000 of them at minigun speed=death.
Greek Myth.
It was stated by Capcom also. And it's stating a canon fact about Dante. You can't deny what the creators said either.
Another excuse you bring up. WTF does that have to do? It's slow and it hits Kratos regardless and seals him in Hell. And it took fast to hit him. Kratos can't stop it.
so? whats that prove....
a Statue
oh yes they have.....the blades power has been shown a huge amount outside gameplay, dont you understand what ive been telling you? ime not sure i can make it more clear gameplay mechanics do not count, a little dog surviving the beam is gameplay, its nonsense mechanics so the player actually gets a challenge, its exactley the same with Dante, unless those pathetic shadow beings in DMC3 really do take like 50 bullets each to kill from ebony and ivory....turns out their really weak afterall...but no, Gameplay mechanics is a no no
ofc it is because Kratos is the one who gains it and he uses it throughout the games, wheras Yamato is like an object Dante uses for one game, but ill w8 for Debel to debate that with me, I think debel understands the rules of this forum and is a more "appropritate debator" for a more serious object of discussion. And it is his weapon, Kratos uses it throughout the game.
Dante just picks up Yamato which is used throughout many other DMC games just by Vergil, the rules of the forum state that only consistent weapons that characters use can they bring into a battle...which means Kain cant use his iron sword or mace from Blood omen for example. Their not consistent weapons.
If Dante slows time and does Judgement cut, theres nothing Kratos can do to survive
Then its irrelvent....only GOW means anything in this debate
The forums rules can....
Kratos could dodge it, if he dodges Zeus' lightning he can dodge those slow blasts...
Originally posted by Burning thought
so? whats that prove....a Statue
oh yes they have.....the blades power has been shown a huge amount outside gameplay, dont you understand what ive been telling you? ime not sure i can make it more clear [b]gameplay mechanics do not count, a little dog surviving the beam is gameplay, its nonsense mechanics so the player actually gets a challenge
, its exactley the same with Dante, unless those pathetic shadow beings in DMC3 really do take like 50 bullets each to kill from ebony and ivory....turns out their really weak afterall...but no, Gameplay mechanics is a no noofc it is because Kratos is the one who gains it and he uses it throughout the games, wheras Yamato is like an object Dante uses for one game, but ill w8 for Debel to debate that with me, I think debel understands the rules of this forum and is a more "appropritate debator" for a more serious object of discussion. And it is his weapon, Kratos uses it throughout the game.
Dante just picks up Yamato which is used throughout many other DMC games just by Vergil, the rules of the forum state that only consistent weapons that characters use can they bring into a battle...which means Kain cant use his iron sword or mace from Blood omen for example. Their not consistent weapons.
If Dante slows time and does Judgement cut, theres nothing Kratos can do to survive
Then its irrelvent....only GOW means anything in this debate
The forums rules can....
Kratos could dodge it, if he dodges Zeus' lightning he can dodge those slow blasts... [/B]
Argosax=God.
So?
I said the beam attacks. Sealing away Mundus? Godly Energies?
No he just used it to defeat Collosus and he looses it. Zeus just gave him The Blade. The Blade isn't Kratos. Kratos uses The Blade for 1 game. And you didn't make the thread so how is this up to you. Just an excuse.
Or he could cut him in half with Rebellion or just use Jackpot.
Can't deny what the creator said.
No. Zeus' Lighting is slow.
Originally posted by Gumachi
Argosax=God.So?
I said the beam attacks. Sealing away Mundus? Godly Energies?
No he just used it to defeat Collosus and he looses it. Zeus just gave him The Blade. The Blade isn't Kratos. Kratos uses The Blade for 1 game. And you didn't make the thread so how is this up to you. Just an excuse.
Or he could cut him in half with Rebellion or just use Jackpot.
Can't deny what the creator said.
No. Zeus' Lighting is slow.
lol...so? wow, he has a title....good for him...hes also an extremely weak being, a being who was killed by handguns that cant damage snooker balls and who pretty much did a grand total of one thing....he died...thats alll hes done, not to mention hes pathetic, a i mean hes a litltle shiny dude...
But thats the only game the sword appears in, and Kratos has it at the end of the game, which means he has gained the weapon and its consistent, because it appears in one out of two games...it has no reason to be inconsistent...wheras in DMC dante simply "used" Yamato at the end to break one block, the rest of the game he hardly used it and furthermore its been seen many times in the other games mostly in the hands of Vergil, becaue its vergils consistent weapon,just like the Soul reaver is Kains, Rebellion is more Dantes consistent weaponry and Ebony and Ivory.
ime sorry but the forum can, if you want to debate on the forum, you need to follow its rules, simple....
lightning is slow? .....you been taking drugs?
Originally posted by Burning thought
lol...so? wow, he has a title....good for him...hes also an extremely weak being, a being who was killed by handguns that cant damage snooker balls and who pretty much did a grand total of one thing....he died...thats alll hes done, not to mention hes pathetic, a i mean hes a litltle shiny dude...But thats the only game the sword appears in, and Kratos has it at the end of the game, which means he has gained the weapon and its consistent, because it appears in one out of two games...it has no reason to be inconsistent...wheras in DMC dante simply "used" Yamato at the end to break one block, the rest of the game he hardly used it and furthermore its been seen many times in the other games mostly in the hands of Vergil, becaue its vergils consistent weapon,just like the Soul reaver is Kains, Rebellion is more Dantes consistent weaponry and Ebony and Ivory.
ime sorry but the forum can, if you want to debate on the forum, you need to follow its rules, simple....
lightning is slow? .....you been taking drugs?
Your foolish. Didn't I tell you the Godly Energy[Demonic Aura inside Dante]killed him. I can tell you never played DMC2. Getting hurt and killed with The Blades of Chaos is pathetic.
If you count DANTE he still has Yamato regardless. The Blade is Zeus no matter how many time he uses it. He still chops him in half with Rebellion.
Still statedby capcom. Kratos main weapon is Blades of Chaos
THE BOLTS Zeus throwed is.
Originally posted by Gumachi
And Argosax was the Demon-King and "the most powerful evil deity/god" And Arius had some of his powers[spawning Demons by snapping his fingers XD and many more even survived a explosion--biiiig explosion]Don't reply just stating.
And hes also a weak shiny dude without a single feat who is defeated by handguns that cant break little wooden snooker balls...
stating nonsense, he has no feats, your just using titles...
Originally posted by Gumachi
Your foolish. Didn't I tell you the Godly Energy[Demonic Aura inside Dante]killed him. I can tell you never played DMC2. Getting hurt and killed with The Blades of Chaos is pathetic.If you count DANTE he still has Yamato regardless. The Blade is Zeus no matter how many time he uses it. He still chops him in half with Rebellion.
Still statedby capcom. Kratos main weapon is Blades of Chaos
THE BOLTS Zeus throwed is.
The blades of Chaos have shown many many feats of power, ebony and ivory fail to damage human made snooker balls..oh I have, and it was a pathetic entity, one of the weakest ive seen in a game actually considering how many titles it has and prime evidence for how stupidity of using titles as your only evidence of a being winning..
Rebellion the featless wonder is going to cut through Kratos.. yeh w/e, if it damages him it wont deal a lot of damage. The only way Dante can win really is if he slows/freezes time and then does Yamato, thing is...its not really a consistent Dante weapon, furthermore Kratos can also slow time so he will likely cancel Dante out.
Their a main and consistent weapon...so?
Their not slower...
Originally posted by Gumachi
And Kratos barely used The Blade[cutscenes]. And he will probably lose it in God of War III. The Blade isn't his weapon. [And he TOOK it from Zeus]
But its consistent, Kratos has it at the end of the only game that has the Blade of Olmypus in, so current Kratos has a blade thats consistently with him.
Originally posted by Burning thought
And hes also a weak shiny dude without a single feat who is defeated by handguns that cant break little wooden snooker balls...stating nonsense, he has no feats, your just using titles...
The blades of Chaos have shown many many feats of power, ebony and ivory fail to damage human made snooker balls..oh I have, and it was a pathetic entity, one of the weakest ive seen in a game actually considering how many titles it has and prime evidence for how stupidity of using titles as your only evidence of a being winning..
Rebellion the featless wonder is going to cut through Kratos.. yeh w/e, if it damages him it wont deal a lot of damage. The only way Dante can win really is if he slows/freezes time and then does Yamato, thing is...its not really a consistent Dante weapon, furthermore Kratos can also slow time so he will likely cancel Dante out.
Their a main and consistent weapon...so?
Their not slower...
But its consistent, Kratos has it at the end of the only game that has the Blade of Olmypus in, so current Kratos has a blade thats consistently with him.
Proves you never played DMC2. Zeus was hurt by power weaker than him. It's not like he got hurt by the bullet. But the Demonic Aura. If he shot it with Demonic Aura it would have broken. He didn't even shot a bullet at him but Godly Energy. If he got a bullet at him he would've just laughed. So to clear it up it was Demonic Aura[Godly Energy]that defeated Argosax.
Titles? Can't deny what the game said.
So? It's magical and it will do damage. And if he gets stabbed by a magical sword he will die. He will chop him in half like he did Vergil. He can only slow time while INFRONT of The Fate's Statue. And he's going to be moving slow. And Dante stops time with his mind. So no canceling out. And even if he does slow down time Dante is still 50% fast. And he can't slow time. If Dante STOPS TIME[Bangle of Time]. The Blade is not Krato's weapon. And it's not like he couldn't hit Judgment Cut from afar.
The Blade is not his weapon wether he carries it or not. It's not his main weapon because The Blade of Chaos/Athena are. He just took it from Zeus and it's in his possesion. Other than that it's not his weapon. Because Zeus possibly carried it the most. Infact it's one of Krato's 1/3 "side weapons."
YouTube video @5:12 that was slow.
YouTube video @ 0:17
Doesn't mean he will have it when God of War III starts he will possibly lose it.
And why don't you think Dante can't survive The Blade? I mean Zeus did. And before you say he can't. The more Demon-Kings[Gods]Dante gets the more powerful he gets. He defeated the incarnation of Sparda twice, Leviathan, Mundus[Ruler of Hell], Argosax[Demon-King], Berial and many more.
Originally posted by Gumachi
Proves you never played DMC2. Zeus was hurt by power weaker than him. It's not like he got hurt by the bullet. But the Demonic Aura. If he shot it with Demonic Aura it would have broken. He didn't even shot a bullet at him but Godly Energy. If he got a bullet at him he would've just laughed. So to clear it up it was Demonic Aura[Godly Energy]that defeated Argosax.Titles? Can't deny what the game said.
So? It's magical and it will do damage. And if he gets stabbed by a magical sword he will die. He will chop him in half like he did Vergil. He can only slow time while INFRONT of The Fate's Statue. And he's going to be moving slow. And Dante stops time with his mind. So no canceling out. And even if he does slow down time Dante is still 50% fast. And he can't slow time. If Dante STOPS TIME[Bangle of Time]. The Blade is not Krato's weapon. And it's not like he couldn't hit Judgment Cut from afar.
The Blade is not his weapon wether he carries it or not. It's not his main weapon because The Blade of Chaos/Athena are. He just took it from Zeus and it's in his possesion. Other than that it's not his weapon. Because Zeus possibly carried it the most. Infact it's one of Krato's 1/3 "side weapons."
YouTube video @5:12 that was slow.
YouTube video @ 0:17
Doesn't mean he will have it when God of War III starts he will possibly lose it.
And why don't you think Dante can't survive The Blade? I mean Zeus did. And before you say he can't. The more Demon-Kings[Gods]Dante gets the more powerful he gets. He defeated the incarnation of Sparda twice, Leviathan, Mundus[Ruler of Hell], Argosax[Demon-King], Berial and many more.
How does it prove anything? if youve got some proof or evidence to show...show it...
It was just Dantes typical Ebony and ivory charge up, which are also featless...
And the game only says titles, the fact of the matter is, he is weak, he has zero feats...titles mean nothing
Bangle of time is uncanon....its just a piece the player can choose, it has no storyline elements about it whatsoever.
Your just not answering my post are you, your simply restating your opinion again, you didnt answer my first post for this, go back and quote it, and answer it.
it wasnt slow at all..it took less than a second once thrown to hit the target...same with the other one.....also thats gameplay.
But he has it anyway, so w/e happens in GOW 3 is irrelvent.
Because hes not got the durability, hes never shown anything at all and nobody esle agrees with oyu because your a fanboy, youve still not shown me a single feat that would possibly equel Dante surviving the blade, its simply too powerful for his level of character. Zeus did because hes more durable, simple....thats not true, where does it say that dante gets stronger with every one he kills? thats not true at all, he may get an item from them like Lucifer or the gauntlets....
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
BTW, do you want something funny? Accroding to DMC developers it was Sparda Sr. in DMCverse who inspired humans there on creating myths about Ares\Mars (there was no real Greek gods there). Really interesting in light of the versus.