Zoom and Wally vs Surfer and Thor

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Knowsbleed33 You know my name

SS and Thor easy peasy.

cloud102 Senior Member

What if we get Wally busting Anti-Monitor West. Only damaged his shell, but moved so fast that not even Pre-Crisis characters could see.

Priest Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Understand that Zoom constantly moves ahead of the current timeline. This means that anyone who exists in the current timeline would never be able to react faster than him... Even if said character is capable of reacting instantly.

So Zoom starts fighting before the match starts?

Richv1 Member

Silver Surfer and Thor. Silver Surfer can do it on his own. Hes faster than them, stronger, has so many more abilities.
Thor yes a long distance attack from above would give him an advantage.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Priest
So Zoom starts fighting before the match starts?
That's not what I said. Zoom exists ahead of the timeline Surfer exists in. Even if Surfer could act instantly, he'd only be acting instantly in the current timeline. That's why Zoom would always react faster.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Galan just owned you guys

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

I didn't own anyone. Just made some clarification on a point I was trying to make.

Bada's Palin Restricted
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Galan just owned you guys

No, Zoom did.

cloud102 Senior Member

Wally is being underrated here. If he wanted to, he can end the fight pretty quickly. And I'm not talking about a super-speed attack. More on the lines of freezing Thor in place and stealing his speed. If he were to ever dodge an attack he can also simply move in and out of the speed force, which he has shown to do.

Priest Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
That's not what I said. Zoom exists ahead of the timeline Surfer exists in. Even is Surfer could act instantly, he'd only be acting instantly in the current timeline. That's why Zoom would always react faster.


Ok, cool beans.
I agree now that Zoom will be able to react faster.
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So Zoom starts punching and doing his thing before Surfer reacts, I dbt he'd be able to KO Surfer. While Surfer is getting (plumbed) whats stopping him from altering his molecules and turning intangible as soon as he gets hit?
As soon as Norrin does turn intangible, the match is over 😬

Richv1 Member

Thor could teleport him away into a sun. Silver Surfer can control all forms of energy which would include the speed force.

Bada's Palin Restricted
Originally posted by Richv1
Thor could teleport him away into a sun. Silver Surfer can control all forms of energy which would include the speed force.

Those are all viable tactics, but the problem is that Zoom and Wally would have them down by then.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Galan just owned you guys
😐

Priest Senior Member

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Those are all viable tactics, but the problem is that Zoom and Wally would have them down by then.

Surfer is way to durable to be put down before he puts up a defense.

ultimatethor Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
That's not what I said. Zoom exists ahead of the timeline Surfer exists in. Even if Surfer could act instantly, he'd only be acting instantly in the current timeline. That's why Zoom would always react faster.

I dig this but there is a limit to the number of hits than zoom can land before the person reacts right? ( If the person reacts nearly instantly like SS)

Bada's Palin Restricted
Originally posted by Priest
Surfer is way to durable to be put down before he puts up a defense.

I don't think so.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Priest
Ok, cool beans.
I agree now that Zoom will be able to react faster.
👆

Originally posted by Priest
So Zoom starts punching and doing his thing before Surfer reacts, I dbt he'd be able to KO Surfer. While Surfer is getting (plumbed) whats stopping him from altering his molecules and turning intangible as soon as he gets hit?
I'm thinking Surfer's concentration might be hindered by dozens [or so] Supermanny punches to the face, before he could even react.

Originally posted by Priest
As soon as Norrin does turn intangible, the match is over 😬
Even if he did go intangible, Zoom can vibrate on different frequencies [as can Flash]. That might be a solution to intangibility.

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And I'm not saying the speedsters take this, btw. I just think that people saying Surfer/Thor take this easily are either biased, or know nothing about Zoom/Flash's abilities.

kgkg Vigilante

no one is talking about Thor damn it!

Bada's Palin Restricted
Originally posted by kgkg
no one is talking about Thor damn it!

If Thor's not knocked out he can surround himself with lightning and go airborne.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by ultimatethor
I dig this but there is a limit to the number of hits than zoom can land before the person reacts right? ( If the person reacts nearly instantly like SS)
Right... Variables like that would play a factor, concerning how many times Zoom struck an opponent before they reacted. However, it's also within Zoom's ability to adjust how far ahead of the current timeline he exists [ie. making himself faster if need be]. That's why even after Wally amped himself with the combined speed of Bart/Jay, he could still hardly even see Zoom, let alone react fast enough to hit him.