Zoom and Wally vs Surfer and Thor

Originally posted by Galan007
The rules say characters start .5km from each other unless another distance is specified in the OP. So no, the distance wouldn't matter much at all here.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think team two takes this easily...but they do take this. Surfer is able to register and calculate the trajectory of billions of different stars and spatial objects while going FTL through space. His thought speed has to be incredible. In Galactus: The Devourer it was said that when it comes to calculating trajectories of moving objects, no one is better at it than Norrin. So he might even be able to predict where Wally or Zoom will appear. He himself regularly breaks light speed and has bullrushed at multiple times that previously. He should be able to hold his own just fine. At least enough to take to the air and do some immense damage.

Thor is pretty much screwed. Odinforce and all.

Originally posted by Galan007
Also, people seem to be under the impression that these guys are powerless against airborne opponents. With things like 'Zoom-blasts' [which are fast enough to hit Flash] that is certainly not the case.

Sonic booms wouldn't do jack to either SS or Thor. They didn't kill Linda at point blank range. Nor any of the Rogues.

I'm pretty tempted to use arguments disputing Surfer's 'uber!!11one' reaction time/speed, but I'll keep them in case I need them in other debates, with Darthgoober for example. 🙂

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm pretty tempted to use arguments disputing Surfer's 'uber!!11one' reaction time/speed, but I'll keep them in case I need them in other debates, with Darthgoober for example. 🙂

SS reaction time is overatted IMO, aside from any feats depicting him reacting to a blitz it certainly hasn't been on anyone from Flash level of speed.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm pretty tempted to use arguments disputing Surfer's 'uber!!11one' reaction time/speed, but I'll keep them in case I need them in other debates, with Darthgoober for example. 🙂

Whatever low-end feats you've got wouldn't count here. And I know Darthgoober has several scans of his impressive thought speed and reaction time.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm pretty tempted to use arguments disputing Surfer's 'uber!!11one' reaction time/speed, but I'll keep them in case I need them in other debates, with Darthgoober for example. 🙂

Originally posted by Enyalus
Don't get me wrong, I don't think team two takes this easily...but they do take this. Surfer is able to register and calculate the trajectory of billions of different stars and spatial objects while going FTL through space. His thought speed has to be incredible. In Galactus: The Devourer it was said that when it comes to calculating trajectories of moving objects, no one is better at it than Norrin. So he might even be able to predict where Wally or Zoom will appear. He himself regularly breaks light speed and has bullrushed at multiple times that previously. He should be able to hold his own just fine. At least enough to take to the air and do some immense damage.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Sonic booms wouldn't do jack to either SS or Thor. They didn't kill Linda at point blank range. Nor any of the Rogues.

'Zoom-blasts'.... Fast enough to hit Flash:

Not saying they'd do much damage, but they would hit Surfer, more than likely..

Originally posted by Galan007
Not thunder-snaps, silly haw-som...

'Zoom-blasts'.... Fast enough to hit Flash:

I knew you were going to use that. 😄

That's Thawne, not Zolomon. One has the speed force, the other doesn't. No reason to assume their powers work the same way.

Are you telling me Galan is a big fat fibber?

Originally posted by Mindset
Are you telling me Galan is a big fat fibber?

He might have not even noticed. But the scan is pretty obvious.

It's the same Zoom in the first and third panels.

Flash asks, "What do you want, Hunter?!" Zoom replies, "He wants you to learn. I want you to feel pain." Indicating that the Zoom which hit Flash with that 'blast' was not Hunter.

That's one giveaway. The other giveaway is that Professor Zoom doesn't wear any goggles, and Zolomon wears those purple goggles.

team one i think

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't see Surfer jumping off his board and running down to attack him H2H though.

Okay, let's say that happens.

SS jumps on his board and runs to Zoom to punch him.

Would Zoom dodge or vibrate to avoid getting punch?

Because, Zoom doesn't just stand around and awaits. So you ponder...how fast will SS attack will be AND how will Zoom react?

As for Thor....what is he going to do here? Look around confuse? He doesn't belong in team 2.

Put Runner instead.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Okay, let's say that happens.

SS jumps on his board and runs to Zoom to punch him.

Would Zoom dodge or vibrate to avoid getting punch?

Because, Zoom doesn't just stand around and awaits. So you ponder...how fast will SS attack will be AND how will Zoom react?

that is a funny scenario

-KG

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Okay, let's say that happens.

SS jumps on his board and runs to Zoom to punch him.

Would Zoom dodge or vibrate to avoid getting punch?

Because, Zoom doesn't just stand around and awaits. So you ponder...how fast will SS attack will be AND how will Zoom react?

As for Thor....what is he going to do here? Look around confuse? He doesn't belong in team 2.

Put Runner instead.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He's going to run on his board...

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Maybe hes getting out of shape...treadmill for heralds? 😛

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Okay, let's say that happens.

SS jumps on his board and runs to Zoom to punch him.

Why? When he faced the Runner, the first thing SS did was attempt to blast him.

But yeah, I agree that Thor is a big 'WTF?' on Surfer's team. He'd be dropped in a volcano stripped naked somewhere on a different continent before he even registered the battle had started.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Why? When he faced the Runner, the first thing SS did was attempt to blast him.

Good!

Now, you said "attempt" with Zoom you never "attempt" because if you "attempt" Zoom will out speed you. Zoom is not only insanely fast....but also quite the trickster (no pun intended to James Jesse)

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Good!

Now, you said "attempt" with Zoom you never "attempt" because if you "attempt" Zoom will out speed you. Zoom is not only insanely fast....but also quite the trickster (no pun intended to James Jesse)

No doubt. He'd easily dodge any blast anyone would throw at him. Still though, Surfer's blasts are powerful - packing enough punch to destroy a planet with little effort. That, and the whole flying thing, which Zoom can't do.

And that's not bringing any other of Surfer's exotic powers into play. If he started on his board and in the air, I think this is a wrap. If he's on the ground, I don't know. I doubt Zoom's going to be able to drop someone of Surfer's durability. And even if he's knocked off his board at the start, Surfer can reform it at will.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Okay, let's say that happens.

SS jumps on his board and runs to Zoom to punch him.

Would Zoom dodge or vibrate to avoid getting punch?

Because, Zoom doesn't just stand around and awaits. So you ponder...how fast will SS attack will be AND how will Zoom react?

As for Thor....what is he going to do here? Look around confuse? He doesn't belong in team 2.

Put Runner instead.

Thor can attack with the speed of the wolf!