Silver surfer and Genis vell vs Wonderwoman, Superman and MArtian manhunter.

Originally posted by Allankles
They fight in higher plane of cosciousness it has nothing to do with power and it's not his soul that is pulled out or anything in only requires that Supes link (not invade) with his mind and they find themselves in the plane of reality the T-Vo practitioner's mind is in.

In one story the activationof these disciplines involved Supes merging with the heartbeat of the cosmos matching cosmic concordance. So therE's nothing SS can do about that. Problem will be that Supes can alter reality as he sees fit in this arena, SS is going to lose 10/10 in that scenario.

And why can't genis vell be pulled into this arena when an abstract like Dominus was pulled?

Cause genis can appeartly beat kindom gog right eny LMAO.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
T-VO defeated a skyfather level characer...SS is not anywhere near appraching that power and T-VO is not the same astral plane as marvels nor is it mind crontrol. Red solar energy gun taking him down....yet we can ignore his fight with zod under a red sun that was tearing up a planet lol.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Supes was also dropped by Ruin with a red solar gun for crying out loud. Both SS and Genis output an expontentially greater amount of energy.

Also, Raoul, will you please make Galen either prove that Amazo exerted himself taking down Supes or concede the point? I have the issues with me, but I am not going to do the work when it is his point.

and what else happened with ruin? superman was indoors. unless the surfer can cut off his access to the sun, red sun isn't doing shit.

also, it was professor hamilton. yet another person with intimate knowledge of superman.

also, if i make galen prove amazo exerted himself (though i don't remember him doing so), that means i'll have to tell everyone else to show examples of photon bfr'ing someone of superman's caliber...

it's either both, or none at all... i don't agree with most of what galen says (tbh), but fair is fair.

Originally posted by Allankles
They fight in higher plane of cosciousness it has nothing to do with power and it's not his soul that is pulled out or anything in only requires that Supes link (not invade) with his mind and they find themselves in the plane of reality the T-Vo practitioner's mind is in.

And again I ask, how's he going to make this link with SS's mind. Moondragon with the Mind Gem was overtaken by the Cosmic Egg's influence. SS broke free of it. He's also resisted reality warping from the IG when Magus wielded it.

And as far as the higher plane of consciousness goes, he's fought on the astral plane before and again on a plane that Dr. Strange sent he and Thanos to to resolve their differences. He's not inept.

Originally posted by Allankles
And why can't genis vell be pulled into this arena when an abstract like Dominus was pulled?

Because Genis has fought off the Scarlet Witch's reality warp in House of M. He also exists in every time period and every universe as Photon. And his cosmic awareness allows him to know everything going on in all the omniverse (omniversal level telepath.)

So yes, he'd be able to break free of it.

Also, yeah, Genis would beat Kingdom Gog. But that's not on topic and you're trolling yet again, Galen.

Originally posted by Raoul
and what else happened with ruin? superman was indoors. unless the surfer can cut off his access to the sun, red sun isn't doing shit.

also, it was professor hamilton. yet another person with intimate knowledge of superman.

also, if i make galen prove amazo exerted himself (though i don't remember him doing so), that means i'll have to tell everyone else to show examples of photon bfr'ing someone of superman's caliber...

it's either both, or none at all... i don't agree with most of what galen says (tbh), but fair is fair.

Exactly what am I saying that u dont agree with, the scans of what I was mentioning were already provided...yet all this fabled"SS can do this and that"nonsense has yet to be certified.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Here...

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2668/amazo2ot3.jpg

And a few pages later Clark is very weak and slow getting up. Team mates telling him he shouldnt be on his feet yet.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5208/amazo8jv0.jpg

Red Sun aint doing shit....what is this? So, some people are just going to ignore these feats against Superman? Because in someones opinion this JLA is crap.

WTF!!

Originally posted by Raoul
and what else happened with ruin? superman was indoors. unless the surfer can cut off his access to the sun, red sun isn't doing shit.

The Ruin arc was what, 24 issues? He was outdoors for some of those. Even on a roof at one point.

Originally posted by Raoul
also, it was professor hamilton. yet another person with intimate knowledge of superman.

Doesn't matter, red solar energy is red solar energy.

Originally posted by Raoul
also, if i make galen prove amazo exerted himself (though i don't remember him doing so), that means i'll have to tell everyone else to show examples of photon bfr'ing someone of superman's caliber...

Genis did so to Sentry and Captain America simultaneously in a New Thunderbolts issue.

Furthermore, Galen can't prove it. He's wrong. That's the problem - he's allowed to make all kinds of false accusations and get away with it.

Originally posted by Enyalus

And again I ask, how's he going to make this link with SS's mind. Moondragon with the Mind Gem was overtaken by the Cosmic Egg's influence. SS broke free of it. He's also resisted reality warping from the IG when Magus wielded it.

And as far as the higher plane of consciousness goes, he's fought on the astral plane before and again on a plane that Dr. Strange sent he and Thanos to to resolve their differences. He's not inept.

Because Genis has fought off the Scarlet Witch's reality warp in House of M. He also exists in every time period and every universe as Photon. And his cosmic awareness allows him to know everything going on in all the omniverse (omniversal level telepath.)

So yes, he'd be able to break free of it.

Also, yeah, Genis would beat Kingdom Gog. But that's not on topic and you're trolling yet again, Galen. [/B]

So you're using a feat from a alternate universe....and even thought u were completly owned and shut down with ur argument about genis u still continue. He is nowhere near as powerful as u r suggesting...he falls to T-VO the same as SS. It isnt mind control or astrol projection, him breaking free of it doesn't even make sense 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Mindset
Tell us what t-vo is then.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So you're using a feat from a alternate universe....and even thought u were completly owned and shut down with ur argument about genis u still continue. He is nowhere near as powerful as u r suggesting...he falls to T-VO the same as SS. It isnt mind control or astrol projection, him breaking free of it doesn't even make sense 😮‍💨

No. Photon is Photon is Photon. He exists in all time periods in all universes. He knew Wanda's universe was not correct and was able to see his 616 self (Photon.) They were the same. And anyone who can break free of Wanda's reality warp is not falling victim to Superman's. To suggest so is absolutely ridiculous.

Originally posted by Enyalus

The Ruin arc was what, 24 issues? He was outdoors for some of those. Even on a roof at one point.

Doesn't matter, red solar energy is red solar energy.

Genis did so to Sentry and Captain America simultaneously in a New Thunderbolts issue.

Furthermore, Galen can't prove it. He's wrong. That's the problem - he's allowed to make all kinds of false accusations and get away with it. [/B]

How am I wrong, the scan says right there supes was not going down easy and after repeated explanations on the nature behind supes T-VO you still continue debating with"mental resistence"feats from SS that are not even relevent. You think gog loses to genis after being explained in great detail why genis isn't this"all powerful"being and u continue....once ur point is disproven and u can't provide counter material u should concede and cut down the trolling thanks.

Galen you don't actually know what t-vo is, do you?

Originally posted by Mindset
Galen you don't actually know what t-vo is, do you?

He is ignoring your question, as its seems. 😆

What are you going on about now, try staying on topic...if u wanna spam then just pm me or something but keep it out of the thread thanks.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
How am I wrong, the scan says right there supes was not going down easy

Flash says it. Big deal. The artwork shows him dropping in one hit. it also never mentions Amazo exerting himself. So you're wrong.

The rest of your post is, too.

What is on panel is this...

He did go down in one hit, regardless what the context says. The Picture says it all.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2668/amazo2ot3.jpg

Originally posted by Enyalus
Flash says it. Big deal. The artwork shows him dropping in one hit. it also never mentions Amazo exerting himself. So you're wrong.

The rest of your post is, too.

The point is the evidence was presented, and since u want to ignore it then thats you're own problem since I don't debate what's stated on-panel.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Exactly what am I saying that u dont agree with

where do i start?

repost the precise scans you're talking about, please, and illustrate where it says he's straining...

Originally posted by Enyalus
The Ruin arc was what, 24 issues? He was outdoors for some of those. Even on a roof at one point.

and what did superman say? that the red sun energy was being forced out of his body as fast as it was being processed.

there's also the fact that now, red sun energy doesn't drain superman, it just shuts off his ability to process energy. he still has the energy, just no access to it.

surfer would have to consistently keep the sun's rays from touching superman while ploughing in to him with red sun energy.

Doesn't matter, red solar energy is red solar energy.

see above. 😛

Genis did so to Sentry and Captain America simultaneously in a New Thunderbolts issue.

SENTRY? HONESTLY? 😛

you have the scan?

Furthermore, Galen can't prove it. He's wrong. That's the problem - he's allowed to make all kinds of false accusations and get away with it.

he's not. i just asked him...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
The point is the evidence was presented, and since u want to ignore it then thats you're own problem since I don't debate what's stated on-panel.

He gets dropped in one hit. And two other times later on he also gets dropped in one shot. Against Ruin's gun he also gets dropped.

Both of those are nowhere near as powerful as the blasts SS and Photon can muster. And Amazo did not exert himself, so what you said was wrong. You're wrong. Deal with it and move on.

Amazo just copys powers from the JLA. The only way he will become as powerful as SS or Photon is to copy their powers. Thus if he doesnt hes not as powerful as them.