Silver surfer and Genis vell vs Wonderwoman, Superman and MArtian manhunter.

Originally posted by janus77
I don't see what differentiates Superman from say ... Nova.

he hasn't got any versatility, he has strength yes but that's hardly going to factor against Herald levellers, he isn't as fast as a standard trans-light Herald etc etc...

dunno, I see it as being extremely charitable, to bump Superman upto Surfer's tier.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Right, supes blitz Apok's army with DS in it lol. He has even blitz a city full of villans and more impressivly has displayed the ability to fight at superspeed.

you two need to get a room, or elope or something...

Originally posted by Mindset
Don't forget Chris!@

how could i forget?

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
And your point? They are still less powerful than Thanos, Silver Surfer and Genis vell.

you said parasite, lex and metallo weren't powerful enough, when they are.

Originally posted by janus77
I don't see what differentiates Superman from say ... Nova.

he hasn't got any versatility, he has strength yes but that's hardly going to factor against Herald levellers, he isn't as fast as a standard trans-light Herald etc etc...

dunno, I see it as being extremely charitable, to bump Superman upto Surfer's tier.

Supes has a better track record agaisnt skyfathers then Thanos does, and we all know what Thanos does to SS. By ur line of reasoning we are demeaning supes by even considering him herald level...if anything he is more skyfather in power then thanos or ss lol. Oh and I suppose flying to the source wall which is located at the far edge of DCU in only 3 panels a good measure of speed...and hell in addition to supes superior stats I suppose his HV/T-VO are just useless additives that shoudlnt be considered...

Originally posted by Raoul

you said parasite, lex and metallo weren't powerful enough, when they are.

They are not on the same power level as Silver surfer and Genis vell.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
They are not on the same power level as Silver surfer and Genis vell.

parasite's powers were enough to drain the entire jla. that includes wonder woman, hal, canary, black lightning AND superman.

parasite is a top tier energy absorber.

metallo is custom built to fight kryptonians. he strolled through them during last son. these weren't average kryptonians. these were phantom zone criminals. the worst of their kind.

if they were powerful enough to subdue the wonder womans and hal jordans of the world, then they weren't exactly weak.

Originally posted by Raoul

if they were powerful enough to subdue the wonder womans and hal jordans of the world, then they weren't exactly weak.

I am not saying they are weak. 😠

But SS is>>>>>DCU is meh

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
I am not saying they are weak. 😠

sorry. they'e not weak, they're just not that impressive either, then?

Originally posted by Raoul
sorry. they'e not weak, they're just not that impressive either, then?

They are just not on the same power level as Silver surfer and Genis vell. Yes, Parasite, Lex and Metallo are powerful.

Seems like no one is.......

Originally posted by Raoul
sorry. they'e not weak, they're just not that impressive either, then?

Also, Metallo wasn't really taking them on, he was using different kryptonite to own them.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
They are just not on the same power level as Silver surfer and Genis vell. Yes, Parasite, Lex and Metallo are powerful.

parasite would give either of them trouble, imo...

Originally posted by Mindset
Actually no, they weren't impressive, not when fighting Metallo and Parasite, at least.

Also, Metallo wasn't really taking them on, he was using different kryptonite to own them.

thats how he takes people on... 😑

and i was talking about metallo, parasite and lex...

Originally posted by Raoul

thats how he takes people on... 😑

and i was talking about metallo, parasite and lex...

I know that's how he takes people (Kyrptonites) on, I still wouldn't say because someone can exploit a weakness you have he's on your level.

And you think those zoners were impressive, really?

When they were fighting Lex and co. what did they do impressive? Metallo alone was easily owning multiples of them at a time.

Amazo dropped Superman extremely quickly with a red solar energy burst. Twice. And Amazo doesn't have the power output of Genis nor Surfer.

J'onn and Superman are both useless in this fight. And Diana can be BFR'd with little trouble.

Team One gets the win.

Originally posted by Mindset
I know that's how he takes people (Kyrptonites) on, I still wouldn't say because someone can exploit a weakness you have he's on your level.

And you think those zoners were impressive, really?

When they were fighting Lex and co. what did they do impressive? Metallo alone was easily owning multiples of them at a time.

Yeah the Zoners were very unimpressive when it came time to fight Metallo, Parasite and Lex - who let's face it aren't on their level.

The same poor showings will probably happen in New Krypton where a couple of Kryptonian soldiers were taken out very easily with gold kryptonite. PIS seems to run rampant when it comes time to face people with kryptonite guns, no super speed, no hv or freeze breath. Meh!

Supes exploitable weaknesses will see him lose to SS more often than not (solar absorption isn't one his weaknesses though). It's funny because those weaknesses were important because of how powerful PC Supes was they don't seem to be as important now in balancing Supes power - since he got toned down - except to give people like Lex a chance at defeating him.

EDIT: Personally I think Supes is more powerful than SS, he seems to be as powerful as his will power will allow a lot of the time, but SS capacity to exploit weaknesses gives him the edge unless Supes can overcome those weaknesses with will power which he does seem to be capable of sometimes.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Amazo dropped Superman extremely quickly with a red solar energy burst. Twice. And Amazo doesn't have the power output of Genis nor Surfer.

J'onn and Superman are both useless in this fight. And Diana can be BFR'd with little trouble.

Team One gets the win.

Amazo had to exert himself to take supes down with red solar energy...and where are you getting that SS and genis have superior output to amazo lol. Supes still got in and surprised Amazo with his speed, and amazo>SS in regards to reflex.

Originally posted by Allankles
Supes exploitable weaknesses will see him lose to SS more often than not (solar absorption isn't one his weaknesses though). It's funny because those weaknesses were important because of how powerful PC Supes was they don't seem to be as important now in balancing Supes power - since he got toned down - except to give people like Lex a chance at defeating him.

EDIT: Personally I think Supes is more powerful than SS, he seems to be as powerful as his will power will allow a lot of the time, but SS capacity to exploit weaknesses gives him the edge unless Supes can overcome those weaknesses with will power which he does seem to be capable of sometimes.

Photon is in this fight, too, though. And he controls all photonic energy. Probably even capable of doing something exotic like changing the yellow solar energy in his cells to red.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Amazo had to exert himself to take supes down with red solar energy...

No. He downed him easily and moved on to the others. Then later he does it again. Easily.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
and where are you getting that SS and genis have superior output to amazo lol.

Let's see - SS has power output to casually destroy planets with his blasts as well as create black holes. When that incarnation of Amazo does something even half as impressive, let me know. And Photon's power was stated to be about equal to a trillion suns. His very being is made up of energy taken from the Big Bang and Entropy. And he, very obviously, also has cosmic awareness.

Supes is outclassed. So are J'onn and Diana.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah the Zoners were very unimpressive when it came time to fight Metallo, Parasite and Lex - who let's face it aren't on their level.

The same poor showings will probably happen in New Krypton where a couple of Kryptonian soldiers were taken out very easily with gold kryptonite. PIS seems to run rampant when it comes time to face people with kryptonite guns, no super speed, no hv or freeze breath. Meh!

Supes exploitable weaknesses will see him lose to SS more often than not (solar absorption isn't one his weaknesses though). It's funny because those weaknesses were important because of how powerful PC Supes was they don't seem to be as important now in balancing Supes power - since he got toned down - except to give people like Lex a chance at defeating him.

EDIT: Personally I think Supes is more powerful than SS, he seems to be as powerful as his will power will allow a lot of the time, but SS capacity to exploit weaknesses gives him the edge unless Supes can overcome those weaknesses with will power which he does seem to be capable of sometimes.

That's assuming SS can recreat these weaknesses in the time before supes moves towards him, remember supes does have superior combat speed and superior stats and the plot device T-VO. I personally gave SS a 6/10 agaisnt supes but only due to the exploitations, which even then won't see a clear and easy victory. If CIS as the OP said then I don't see why supes couldn't just T-VO team 1 for the free win.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
That's assuming SS can recreat these weaknesses in the time before supes moves towards him, remember supes does have superior combat speed and superior stats and the plot device T-VO. I personally gave SS a 6/10 agaisnt supes but only due to the exploitations, which even then won't see a clear and easy victory. If CIS as the OP said then I don't see why supes couldn't just T-VO team 1 for the free win.

T-Vo wouldn't work against Genis-Vell. At all.

In fact, I doubt it would work against SS either. Considering he broke free of the Goddess's mind control while she was using the Cosmic Egg.

Originally posted by Mindset
I know that's how he takes people (Kyrptonites) on, I still wouldn't say because someone can exploit a weakness you have he's on your level.

And you think those zoners were impressive, really?

When they were fighting Lex and co. what did they do impressive? Metallo alone was easily owning multiples of them at a time.

metallo, sure, you could make that argument, but not for parasite imo...

the zoners were strong enough to subdue the heroes of earth. that's not bad.