Silver surfer and Genis vell vs Wonderwoman, Superman and MArtian manhunter.

Originally posted by Enyalus

And again I ask, how's he going to make this link with SS's mind. Moondragon with the Mind Gem was overtaken by the Cosmic Egg's influence. SS broke free of it. He's also resisted reality warping from the IG when Magus wielded it.

And as far as the higher plane of consciousness goes, he's fought on the astral plane before and again on a plane that Dr. Strange sent he and Thanos to to resolve their differences. He's not inept. [/B]

How can he not link with SS mind? He becomes one with univeral harmony when he uses T-vo and related disciplines. He isn't trying to invade SS mind just touch it. So I don't see what SS is going to do about that. You think he invaded Dominus mind? He couldn't even if he wanted yet he was dragged in all the same.

As far as SSS fighting on a higher plane, he's never fought like this. Supes controls reality in that plane. SS will lose. I didn't say he was inept but he'll lose Supes would have all the advantages.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Because Genis has fought off the Scarlet Witch's reality warp in House of M. He also exists in every time period and every universe as Photon. And his cosmic awareness allows him to know everything going on in all the omniverse (omniversal level telepath.)

So yes, he'd be able to break free of it.[/B]

And Dominus is mutliversal entity as well like the new gods and few other beings: Myx et al he is a singular being in the DCU multiverse.

And T-Vo is not direct reality manip on the physical plane, so it doesn't matter if you can resist reality manip (Supes can do that too). Dominus can reality manip on the physical plane and he couldn't prevent getting dragged in the T-Vo arena.
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Originally posted by Raoul
there's also the fact that now, red sun energy doesn't drain superman, it just shuts off his ability to process energy. he still has the energy, just no access to it.

See JLA 23 and 24 for my response to that. Sept and Oct 08 is recent enough.

Originally posted by Raoul
SENTRY? HONESTLY? 😛

you have the scan?

New Thunderbolts 14. Photon takes Sentry and CA to the Microverse. Then he BFRs Sentry into a toilet in Central Station or something (off panel.)

Originally posted by Enyalus

See JLA 23 and 24 for my response to that. Sept and Oct 08 is recent enough.
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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=445194&pagenumber=3

Heres the fight.

Originally posted by Allankles
And Dominus is mutliversal entity as well like the new gods and few other beings: Myx et al he is a singular being in the DCU multiverse.

...During the '96 arc he was said to be universal-level. I haven't read the issues with him in it recently.

Originally posted by Raoul
where do i start?

repost the precise scans you're talking about, please, and illustrate where it says he's straining...

and what did superman say? that the red sun energy was being forced out of his body as fast as it was being processed.

there's also the fact that now, red sun energy doesn't drain superman, it just shuts off his ability to process energy. he still has the energy, just no access to it.

surfer would have to consistently keep the sun's rays from touching superman while ploughing in to him with red sun energy.

see above. 😛

SENTRY? HONESTLY? 😛

you have the scan?

he's not. i just asked him...

Originally posted by Enyalus
See JLA 23 and 24 for my response to that. Sept and Oct 08 is recent enough.

mcduffie's jla, which consistently lowballs superman. that's using low feats and claiming they're the standard, when they aren't.

he has too many contradictory feats, even from when he wasn't as powerful as he is now.

New Thunderbolts 14. Photon takes Sentry and CA to the Microverse. Then he BFRs Sentry into a toilet in Central Station or something (off panel.)

if i get the chance, i'll check it out...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2668/amazo2ot3.jpg Since flash says it is not big deal, just like how thanos says this so its no big deal http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silversurfercreatesblackhole.jpg

when he said he wasn't going down easy? i took that to mean superman was resisting, even to a small extent, rathr than amazo having any trouble...

What?

Originally posted by Enyalus
He gets dropped in one hit. And two other times later on he also gets dropped in one shot. Against Ruin's gun he also gets dropped.

Both of those are nowhere near as powerful as the blasts SS and Photon can muster. And Amazo did not exert himself, so what you said was wrong. You're wrong. Deal with it and move on.

Yes he did, and supes was indoor but I know context is ur enemy. T-VO FTW unless u have any material to counter it.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2668/amazo2ot3.jpg Since flash says it is not big deal, just like how thanos says this so its no big deal http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silversurfercreatesblackhole.jpg

Galen: Does Flash or Amazo or anyone ever state that Amazo exerted himself in order to down Superman?

No.

So you're wrong. Drop it.

Originally posted by Raoul
mcduffie's jla, which consistently lowballs superman. that's using low feats and claiming they're the standard, when they aren't.

he has too many contradictory feats, even from when he wasn't as powerful as he is now.

And? this does not get over turned just because you guys dont like it.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Galen: Does Flash or Amazo or anyone ever state that Amazo exerted himself in order to down Superman?

No.

So you're wrong. Drop it.

LMAO, wow dude way to ignore what's stated on-panel....seriously dude wow.

Originally posted by Mindset
What?

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Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
And? this does not get over turned just because you guys dont like it.

no, it gets overturned because its bullshit.

superman has more feats showing him doing well when under the effects of kryptonite/red sun than he does low showings, like the jla one.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
And? this does not get over turned just because you guys dont like it.

Well hey its the truth, but ur right lets account all feats. Supes armbars SS and T-VO's Genis FTW.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well hey its the truth, but ur right lets account all feats. Supes armbars SS and T-VO's Genis FTW.

that is really not helping at all.

Originally posted by Raoul
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no, it gets overturned because its bullshit.

superman has more feats showing him doing well when under the effects of kryptonite/red sun than he does low showings, like the jla one.

Thats BS just because you guys dont like it.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO, wow dude way to ignore what's stated on-panel....seriously dude wow.

It's stated on panel that Amazo exerted himself one-shotting Superman? Where, Galen? Read it to me, Galen.

Please.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Thats BS just because you guys dont like it.

warned for trolling.

an official one, mind you.

galen, you get one too. not so much as for this thread, but i should have warned you yesterday, and i didn't, so...

It's sad that some people cling to dated scans, bio info or showing strictly from the JLA. I'm not sure whether I should pity people for being obtuse dunderheads or warn them for ignoring more recent showings. Either way, don't debate against a character when it's so obvious that a lot of you only look at scans and don't read the comics. Superman had more showing than the JLA comic.

Either post something relevant or stop trolling.

Edit: Oops, Raoul has spoken. durlaugh

So now that Eny has been disproven, I personally think the 3-1 advantage is to much. Supes alone would T-VO team 1 but excluding that, the combined might of MM,WW and Supes is to much.

Originally posted by Raoul
warned for trolling.

an official one, mind you.

galen, you get one too. not so much as for this thread, but i should have warned you yesterday, and i didn't, so...

You are trying to discard that scan just because you guys dont like it.

THIS IS NOT Fcking trolling.

Screw this shit... I am outta here since mods get into a bad mood thus they can do whatever they want...

its impossible to argue against Supes, too many you know whats around.

I will try not to post in another Superman thread again!!!