Silver surfer and Genis vell vs Wonderwoman, Superman and MArtian manhunter.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Photon is in this fight, too, though. And he controls all photonic energy. Probably even capable of doing something exotic like changing the yellow solar energy in his cells to red.

Except of course Supes is said to super metabolize yellow sun energy. This partially explains why he gets so much power. There's another theory that he isn't actually powered by the yellow sun directly but that it merely helps him unlock the entropic power within or that it unlocks some interdimensional force that empowers him.

So I personally don't feels thats a power that will work on Supes in the way you've described not unless he is shooting beams of red sun energy directly at Supes and even then it would depend on their surroundings.

If Supes is doing anything like metabolizing the energy then it would be in some bio energetic form, further there's evidence that his power is a little bit more exotic than simple sun radiation.

Originally posted by Enyalus

No. He downed him easily and moved on to the others. Then later he does it again. Easily.

Let's see - SS has power output to casually destroy planets with his blasts as well as create black holes. When that incarnation of Amazo does something even half as impressive, let me know. And Photon's power was stated to be about equal to a trillion suns. His very being is made up of energy taken from the Big Bang and Entropy. And he, very obviously, also has cosmic awareness.

Supes is outclassed. So are J'onn and Diana. [/B]

Easily....so then ignoring Amazo's own comment about exerting himself isn't relevent lol. Yet SS's blast did not even flinch Thanos who has been injured by attacks that havn't even destroyed a city...colliteral damage is quite a poor indication of power. Judging how they handle agaisnt ubber beings, supes punches actually rocked the sourced powered IM while SS couldn't even mount a effective attack on raging thor who was fighting like a idiot lol. Oh and considering supes has took shots from gog,DS and legitimate skyfathers before....excuse me of I dont think SS or the overatted genis are top shit lol.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
They are not on the same power level as Silver surfer and Genis vell.

Originally posted by Enyalus
T-Vo wouldn't work against Genis-Vell. At all.

In fact, I doubt it would work against SS either. Considering he broke free of the Goddess's mind control while she was using the Cosmic Egg.

T-VO pulled in a skyfather level character....SS is going even if he doesnt want to.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
T-VO pulled in a skyfather level character....SS is going even if he doesnt want to.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
T-VO pulled in a skyfather level character....SS is going even if he doesnt want to.

T-VO is another reason why Supes power source is probably more exotic than simple sun radiation. Since T-VO and other Kryptonian disciplines have to do with cosmic concordance.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Easily....so then ignoring Amazo's own comment about exerting himself isn't relevent lol.

Amazo didn't even talk when he first took down Supes, so I don't know where you're getting the bullshit you spout. Flash was narrating it, and he also mentions nothing of the sort. Supes is floored all three times in one shot once Amazo uses Red Solar radiation thoughout the two issues.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
T-VO pulled in a skyfather level character....SS is going even if he doesnt want to.

The Goddess was using the Cosmic Egg, which is just under the Infinity Gauntlet in power and is multiversal. And he broke free of its control. So yeah, that feat >>> Skyfather.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Amazo didn't even talk when he first took down Supes, so I don't know where you're getting the bullshit you spout. Flash was narrating it, and he also mentions nothing of the sort. Supes is floored all three times in one shot once Amazo uses Red Solar radiation thoughout the two issues.

mcduffie's jla = fail. uhuh

Originally posted by Enyalus

The Goddess was using the Cosmic Egg, which is just under the Infinity Gauntlet in power and is multiversal. And he broke free of its control. So yeah, that feat >>> Skyfather.

Ummm! T-Vo is not mind control.

It pulls you and your opponent into a higher state of consciousness/reality to do battle. Supes has perfected the discipline allowing him to warp/affect reality at will in this plane of consciousness.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Amazo didn't even talk when he first took down Supes, so I don't know where you're getting the bullshit you spout. Flash was narrating it, and he also mentions nothing of the sort. Supes is floored all three times in one shot once Amazo uses Red Solar radiation thoughout the two issues.

The Goddess was using the Cosmic Egg, which is just under the Infinity Gauntlet in power and is multiversal. And he broke free of its control. So yeah, that feat >>> Skyfather.

lol, obviosuly re-read the issue because it explains Amazo has to exert himself to put him down with solar energy...and no srry he is getting dragged to T-VO no matter what, unless u wanna bring in a featless wonder again. SS only chance is red solar energy,k-nite bolts and thats assuming he can even creat them let alone in a timly manner agaisnt supes who has vastly superior combat speed....and of course supes can also reconstitute his power from the stars around him so I think the tactic is overblown personally.

Originally posted by Allankles
Ummm! T-Vo is not mind control.

It pulls you and your opponent into a higher state of consciousness/reality to do battle. Supes has perfected the discipline allowing him to warp/affect reality at will in this plane of consciousness.

Originally posted by Allankles
Ummm! T-Vo is not mind control.

It pulls you and your opponent into a higher state of consciousness/reality to do battle. Supes has perfected the discipline allowing him to warp/affect reality at will in this plane of consciousness.

Popular misconception, I dont know where that idea came from that it was mind control, then again he is also convinced amazo did not exert himself with red solar enery blast to bring down supes.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Popular misconception, I dont know where that idea came from that it was mind control, then again he is also convinced amazo did not exert himself with red solar enery blast to bring down supes.

Originally posted by Mindset
So is it like the Astral Plane?

You could describe it like that, however it's not like Marvel's Astral plane this arena is entirely a construct of the T-vo practitioners mind.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Amazo didn't even talk when he first took down Supes, so I don't know where you're getting the bullshit you spout. Flash was narrating it, and he also mentions nothing of the sort. Supes is floored all three times in one shot once Amazo uses Red Solar radiation thoughout the two issues.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2668/amazo2ot3.jpg

Originally posted by Allankles
You could describe it like that, however it's not like Marvel's Astral plane this arena is entirely a construct of the T-vo practitioners mind.

Originally posted by Raoul
mcduffie's jla = fail. uhuh

Supes was also dropped by Ruin with a red solar gun for crying out loud. Both SS and Genis output an expontentially greater amount of energy.

Also, Raoul, will you please make Galen either prove that Amazo exerted himself taking down Supes or concede the point? I have the issues with me, but I am not going to do the work when it is his point.

Originally posted by Allankles
Ummm! T-Vo is not mind control.

It pulls you and your opponent into a higher state of consciousness/reality to do battle. Supes has perfected the discipline allowing him to warp/affect reality at will in this plane of consciousness.

I know that. The key word being 'pulls you in.' SS should be able to resist it. He's also resisted reality warping from the Magus (IIRC), not to mention he's beaten Thanos on a different plane of reality where they were both powerless (courtesy of Dr. Strange.) Him using T-Vo on SS does not institute an auto-win. And against Genis he won't be able to do so at all.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Supes was also dropped by Ruin with a red solar gun for crying out loud. Both SS and Genis output an expontentially greater amount of energy.

Also, Raoul, will you please make Galen either prove that Amazo exerted himself taking down Supes or concede the point? I have the issues with me, but I am not going to do the work when it is his point.

Here...

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2668/amazo2ot3.jpg

And a few pages later Clark is very weak and slow getting up. Team mates telling him he shouldnt be on his feet yet.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5208/amazo8jv0.jpg

Originally posted by Enyalus
I know that. The key word being 'pulls you in.' SS should be able to resist it. He's also resisted reality warping from the Magus (IIRC), not to mention he's beaten Thanos on a different plane of reality where they were both powerless (courtesy of Dr. Strange.) Him using T-Vo on SS does not institute an auto-win. And against Genis he won't be able to do so at all.

They fight in higher plane of cosciousness it has nothing to do with power and it's not his soul that is pulled out or anything in only requires that Supes link (not invade) with his mind and they find themselves in the plane of reality the T-Vo practitioner's mind is in.

In one story the activationof these disciplines involved Supes merging with the heartbeat of the cosmos matching cosmic concordance. So therE's nothing SS can do about that. Problem will be that Supes can alter reality as he sees fit in this arena, SS is going to lose 10/10 in that scenario.

And why can't genis vell be pulled into this arena when an abstract like Dominus was pulled?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Supes was also dropped by Ruin with a red solar gun for crying out loud. Both SS and Genis output an expontentially greater amount of energy.

Also, Raoul, will you please make Galen either prove that Amazo exerted himself taking down Supes or concede the point? I have the issues with me, but I am not going to do the work when it is his point.

I know that. The key word being 'pulls you in.' SS should be able to resist it. He's also resisted reality warping from the Magus (IIRC), not to mention he's beaten Thanos on a different plane of reality where they were both powerless (courtesy of Dr. Strange.) Him using T-Vo on SS does not institute an auto-win. And against Genis he won't be able to do so at all.

T-VO defeated a skyfather level characer...SS is not anywhere near appraching that power and T-VO is not the same astral plane as marvels nor is it mind crontrol. Red solar energy gun taking him down....yet we can ignore his fight with zod under a red sun that was tearing up a planet lol.