Originally posted by srankmissingninyou dont know how long the man had been their, there's no time interval between elektra cutting him and punisher picking him up. Plus blade did this to a vampire, more durable than a regular human, faster as well.
The dude Elekta cut apart stayed in one piece until Punisher picked him off the ground, Blade's slide apart in a few seconds.
Originally posted by Trackz
you dont know how long the man had been their, there's no time interval between elektra cutting him and punisher picking him up. Plus blade did this to a vampire, more durable than a regular human, faster as well.
We know it happened before Punisher entered to room, which means he stayed intact significantly longer than the vamp.
Originally posted by srankmissingninnot really, punisher walked across the room, which probably took a couple of seconds before the guy fell a part, plus blade performed this feat against an opponent that was faster and more durable, plus when blade sliced the vmapire up he was in mid-air, it wasn't like he was standing still (like in elektras case) the vampire was sliced in the air, stayed intact, landed - looked up realizing what happened and fell apart. if either feat is more impressive, blades would be.
We know it happened before Punisher entered to room, which means he stayed intact significantly longer than the vamp.
Originally posted by Mindsetthey are, I'm pretty sure I've seen a scan of a generic vampire giving wonder woman some trouble. however vampires don't have as much history in the dc universe and are subject to change, they are basically prey to PIS, they are an opponent a writer will have their hero beat despite their power-level.
They're stronger.
Originally posted by Trackz
not really, punisher walked across the room, which probably took a couple of seconds before the guy fell a part, plus blade performed this feat against an opponent that was faster and more durable, plus when blade sliced the vmapire up he was in mid-air, it wasn't like he was standing still (like in elektras case) the vampire was sliced in the air, stayed intact, landed - looked up realizing what happened and fell apart. if either feat is more impressive, blades would be.
Blade cut the vampire and it fell apart a few seconds latter. Elektra cut the limbs off of a man and he stayed intact until Punisher lifted him off the ground. Punisher entered the room, investigated the scene with a quick one over, say a lone man and pointed his gun at him, walked over asked him a question, picked him off the ground and then his limbs fell off. Even if Elektra killed everyone and sliced apart that man the very second before Frank entered the room, he still would have stayed intact much longer than Blade's vamp. Also Elektra would need to have done it in four separate strokes since she just removed the limbs and didn't cleave through the torso unlike Blade who did it in one clean stroke that passed through seven some odd times.
The difference in durability of a vampire and a human is the same as the difference in tracing paper and office paper against a exato knife, virtually nonexistent.
Originally posted by srankmissingninthe difference is that Elektra's feat is PIS and Blade's is not
Blade cut the vampire and it fell apart a few seconds latter. Elektra cut the limbs off of a man and he stayed intact until Punisher lifted him off the ground. Punisher entered the room, investigated the scene with a quick one over, say a lone man and pointed his gun at him, walked over asked him a question, picked him off the ground and then his limbs fell off. Even if Elektra killed everyone and sliced apart that man the very second before Frank entered the room, he still would have stayed intact much longer than Blade's vamp. Also Elektra would need to have done it in four separate strokes since she just removed the limbs and didn't cleave through the torso unlike Blade who did it in one clean stroke that passed through seven some odd times.The difference in durability of a vampire and a human is the same as the difference in tracing paper and office paper against a exato knife, virtually nonexistent.
there is no way possible for that guy's arms to not fall off...doesn't matter how clean the cut is
Elektra once again does things that make no sense
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade cut the vampire and it fell apart a few seconds latter. Elektra cut the limbs off of a man and he stayed intact until Punisher lifted him off the ground. Punisher entered the room, investigated the scene with a quick one over, say a lone man and pointed his gun at him, walked over asked him a question, picked him off the ground and then his limbs fell off. Even if Elektra killed everyone and sliced apart that man the very second before Frank entered the room, he still would have stayed intact much longer than Blade's vamp. Also Elektra would need to have done it in four separate strokes since she just removed the limbs and didn't cleave through the torso unlike Blade who did it in one clean stroke that passed through seven some odd times.The difference in durability of a vampire and a human is the same as the difference in tracing paper and office paper against a exato knife, virtually nonexistent.
Blades case is different he cut the vampire so fast that he was able to fall through the air and land still intact, unlike elektras case where the man was standing still. Vampires have demonstrated higher durability than humans, they take greater damage with no ill effects. Blade's case is more impressive simply because he did it on a enemy that possessed superspeed and strength (demonstrated before the fight) performing this on a moving target, that is attacking you, surpasses elektras feat of doing this on a mobile target, the time interval we don't know, it would've only taken punisher a few seconds to enter the room and see the one man standing their, and it only took a few seconds for the vamp to realize what had happened and fall apart after blade attacked him.
A vampire's strength doesn't factor into the equation at all. A vampires durability against blades isn't greater than a humans by much if at all. A vampires speed doesn't factor into the equation because he was in midair which means he is unable to alter his momentum / trajectory and is at the mercy of gravity until he lands.
The vampire landed and instantly feel apart. The guy Elektra was intact for much longer. The time it took for Punisher to walk across the room was much longer than the time Blade's vampire stayed intact... and Punisher didn't enter the room and make a B line straight towards him. He gave the room a once over, and inspected the crime scene, when he first noticed the man he stopped and pointed a gun at him before he actually walked towards him and picked him off the ground before he fell apart (he was still intact in the air for a few seconds). He stayed intact long enough for Punisher to say "Balbo?" "What happened here?" and "Knock it off!" And we don't even know how long ago Elektra actually happened to have carved him up, even if it happened the very instant before Punisher entered the room (unlikely since it stands to reason he would have heard the scuffle) he still would have been in one piece for 30-40 seconds (minimum), where as Blade's vampire fell apart the moment he hit the ground.
Elektra is faster, exponentially more skilled and can read Blade's every thought and action. She would systematically amputate everyone of Blade's limbs without getting hit... and that's if she wants a bit of sport, if not she lops off his head or ribs his heart out with her bare hands. It wouldn't even be a good warm up for a real fight against someone of merit.
This is what a top tier street looks like.
This is what Blade looks like against the same unit and the same amount of SHIELD Agents.
Not hard to see the difference. A top tier street like Cap owns ass, while Blade goes down like a chump to a single round. Elektra - like Cap - is at the top of the street level pyramid. Blade doesn't stand a chance he doesn't have to stuff to compeat with someone like Elektra.
Why you fail
I had a look at your respect thread but Blade feats as a whole are better than Elektras because a big majority is against humans.
You might argue that Vampires are barely peak human but they are better than humans. Lets have a look at the evidence.
A bunch of vampire thugs take out human thugs.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandPunisherhelp.jpg
Sage takes down Spiderman
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey2.jpg
A normal vampires sneaks up on BP.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandBP.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandBP2.jpg
This feat from Blade outstrips a big majority of the feats in your respect thread.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladefast.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladejumpin.jpg
Those aren't just vampires those are highly trained vampires with hi-tech machine guns. Look what they says 'he moves like lightning'. So Blade is so fast superhumans can have a problem getting a bead on him.
Highly-trained vampires > Mercs.
Furthermore you dont even have any proof that Elektra can beat any top tiers.
That just simply proves that Elektra can sneak up on DD...fail
"Dulled by pain Dardevils hyper-senses fail to detect the mysterious figure..." ...Fail
Another fight that DD has with Elektra involves CIS.. "He wants to hold her to kiss her, to caress her.. to make every prt of her soft and loving"... hes obvously in love with her and that affected his ability to fight...CIS...fail.
The only proof you have is this, and im not even sure if thats enough considering that they have history.
http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/?action=view¤t=Elektra_Fights_Daredevil_v2_078_05.jpg
http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/?action=view¤t=Elektra_Fights_Daredevil_v2_078_06.jpg
http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/?action=view¤t=Elektra_Fights_Daredevil_168-05.jpg
In fact she still can't beat Bullseyes after her upgrade and the only reason why she won was because Bullseye wanted to kill her slowly.
Bulleyes isn't even top tier and Punisher has beaten Bullseye TWICE in h2h.
Furthermore Blade has looked good against an opponent that took out Morbius easily.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH4.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH5.jpg
Morbius has a good record against Spiderman and Spiderman has a good records against top tier martial artists.
hes also looked good against Spitfire whos looked good against the master man, guys that were giving Cap and Union Jack trouble.
http://d.imagehost.org/view/0884/CBMI13_6_Oroboros_DCP_013.jpg
http://d.imagehost.org/view/0691/CBMI13_6_Oroboros_DCP_014.jpg
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We both know I'm almost always right. 😎
Thats your problem you THINK you're always right before you even started to debate so instead of looking at the information displayed objectively you twist it around to suit your own personl view, anybody can do that if they try hard enough.
Hell if Blade had blocked SS sword strike you'd say something like " Its not a strength feat or skill feats its durability. SS isnt capable of destroying Blades sword in one blow so Blade is simply resting his sword on his body."
I mean if you're going to use this to prove that Nightwing is stronger than Blade you need your head examined.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6808/year1996throwsafridgetoenemies.gif
Hell I think you even tried to use this.
http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=year1999throwskgbeastlikenothi.gif
Sranks debating = Pick any feat that a character has done and assume that its better than anything Blade has done.
LOOK NIGHTWING BEATEN UP SOME THUGS!!! ZOMGOD NIGHTWING IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN BLADE!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/NightwingHush.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/NightwingHush2.jpg
Originally posted by Phantom Zone😂 the sheer fact that you think I need to know the specific ratio to prove she's stronger when she's sending a hand through two layers of kevlar is absurd.
Ok prove to me the ratio of skill and strength, if you dont know then you cant prove shes stronger.
She's either incredibly strong or better than Bullseye when it comes to projectile work. You pick.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Neither did I.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIF I was trying to make an argument for that, the sai throw wouldn't be the pillar of said argument.. no.
Are you serioulsy trying to tell me that Elektra is more skilled than Cap based on that sai throw?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneFunny how those posters where limited to three people who are DD fans. One of which uses DD as his username no less. Yeah the only thing taken out of context was the insinuation that Matt having sex with a girl a bit before the fight somehow made him a terrible fighter when it began. Of course you haven't read the arc so OF COURSE you automatically side with anything anyone BUT a Wolverine fan is going to say whether it's about Wolverine or not. You're more transparent than glass and have only half as much wit.
2. Yeah this was discussed in other threads and other posters were lambasting you for taking things out of context. Even if shes shown to be better than DD, its still not conclusive, some Mas do better against certain opponents. You can post scans of the fights if you like.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its Spidermans momentum vs Blades.
Yeah, no it's not. They're both jumping straight into the air, and if it was, Blade is losing in that exchange since his back is at an angle towards the ground. It doesn't have anything to do with strength. What a weak ass argument.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYet you're arguing that the skill in such a feat takes precedence over the strength. It's dumb.
If you are talking about the sai throw I never said it didnt require strength.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneLMAO see you're so investing in arguing against Wolverine fans you'll even argue FOR Wolverine against them. wow... just... wow.
Please post scans of Wolverine vs Elektra fights im pretty sure in one of them Wolverine wasnt at his best and was learning his MA again. Considering that Shang Chi was sitting down he actually looked better.
Yeah there's also another fight where she stabs him in the heart and leaves him for dead.
Yeah, no he didn't.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWasn't this a discussion about Elektra's skill level? 😕
Blade has done well against an upgraded Deacon Frost that punked Morbius in one move. I suspect that Morbius has given Spiderman a hard time. Doesnt Spiderman have good showings against Iron Fist, Daredevil and Shang Chi?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThe fact is that you think it's a feat worth discarding to her strength simply because skill was involved, which ignores the obvious..
Er no I mentioned Captain America as well and I even said that it didnt just require just strength in black and white. If you went to misintepret it after I have said on numerous ocassions its just doesnt require skills thats up to you .
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneDon't have to.
Prove the strength to skill ratio..
Originally posted by Phantom Zone😐
Neither, Cap, DD, Wolverine or Shang Chi have done it. It doesnt prove that shes stronger than any of them or even skillful for that matter.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No even sure what you're on about here. Never said that the sai throw didnt involve strength. I guess you could be talking about another Elektra feat.Anyway Punisher has held off a beserk Tiger Shark underwater and stopped an upgraded Tombstone from strangling him, not sure if thats conclusive proof that hes stronger than Elektra but according to your logic he is.
