Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Izit? Then why did she get her arse kicked by Bullseye.....AGAIN.
Firstly she has other martial arts feats in her thread which are more impressive than Blade's. Her training is also very impressive.
Bullseye always does well against both Elektra and DD. He is obsessed with them and has been shown to train especially for them if I'm not mistaken.
I agree in her most recent encounter with Bullseye she did look rather lame.
Originally posted by Warrior18
Firstly she has other martial arts feats in her thread which are more impressive than Blade's. Her training is also very impressive.
..and the vast majority of those are against humans and I provided scans from comic that prove vampires > humans.
On that basis alone most of Blades feats are better.
Originally posted by Warrior18
Bullseye always does well against both Elektra and DD. He is obsessed with them and has been shown to train especially for them if I'm not mistaken.I agree in her most recent encounter with Bullseye she did look rather lame.
The point is that Bullseyes isn't top tier. The fact shes been consistently owned doesnt help your case. 😐
Originally posted by Warrior18what martial art feats? Blade is a master of all weaponry known to man, I shouldn't have to restate this, how can elektra be exponentially more skilled than someone who has master all of their weaponry? she is certainly not more skilled than blade with a sword or any other weapon of his choosing.
Firstly she has other martial arts feats in her thread which are more impressive than Blade's. Her training is also very impressive.Bullseye always does well against both Elektra and DD. He is obsessed with them and has been shown to train especially for them if I'm not mistaken.
I agree in her most recent encounter with Bullseye she did look rather lame.
Originally posted by TrackzBlade's been using his weapons for over 100 years also. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing.
what martial art feats? Blade is a master of all weaponry known to man, I shouldn't have to restate this, how can elektra be exponentially more skilled than someone who has master all of their weaponry? she is certainly not more skilled than blade with a sword or any other weapon of his choosing.
Originally posted by Trackz
what martial art feats? Blade is a master of all weaponry known to man, I shouldn't have to restate this, how can elektra be exponentially more skilled than someone who has master all of their weaponry? she is certainly not more skilled than blade with a sword or any other weapon of his choosing.
I don't think you could really prove either way whos better with a sword. My beef is the consistent downplaying of Blades feats and giving Elektra the benefit of the doubt no matter what she does.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I had a look at your respect thread but [b]Blade feats as a whole are better than Elektras because a big majority is against humans.You might argue that Vampires are barely peak human but they are better than humans. Lets have a look at the evidence.
A bunch of vampire thugs take out human thugs.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandPunisherhelp.jpg[/B]
Shitacular "evidence" as usual.
I scuffle that takes place off panel.
Doesn't help that there's no context given.
And it DOESN'T MATTER when you take into account that Vamps have natural weapons, to hurt, maim and neutralize a Human enemy when Human's and yes even Blade have to prepare with speciall weaponry to fight vamps most of the time. Vamps are exploitable to specific weaknessess. A bunch of thugs with berettas isn't one of them unless they have silver rounds. 😐
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sage takes down Spiderman
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey2.jpg
I can't wait to see more of this evidence of yours, next you're going to start posting feats from Ba'al and Dracula as evidence for why Vamps are better than Humans. 🙄
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
A normal vampires sneaks up on BP.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandBP.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandBP2.jpg
Uh-huh, I'm not sure what you think this contributes to the Elektra vs. Blade debate.... :cofnused:
Or even what you think that is other than a relatively poor showing for BP.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
This feat from Blade outstrips a big majority of the feats in your respect thread.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladefast.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladejumpin.jpg
Blade dodges bullets and jumps really high.. and that's more impressive because?....
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Those aren't just vampires those are highly trained vampires with hi-tech machine guns. Look what they says 'he moves like lightning'. So Blade is so fast superhumans can have a problem getting a bead on him.
Yup, Unless of course they're anyone of merit... at all....
Wolverine, Gambit, Spidey, Morbius, Blaze. None of these guys have had a problem getting a bead on him...
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIs that why SHEILD "cape killers" shot him unconscious and these guys got owned? Interesting.
Highly-trained vampires > Mercs..
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneExcept of course where she's beating top tiers like DD and Wolverine or pulling off feats of skill with ease that take tolls on top tiers.
Furthermore you dont even have any proof that Elektra can beat any top tiers.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBOTH of them where in a relationship. They LOVED EACHOTHER, they are BOTH effected by the CIS of that relationship. The only difference is that Matt got over her faster than the other way around. Matt has more girl friends than Bruce Wayne, Elektra. She's had 3 boyfriends and only two of which she felt anything substantial for. She's had a hard time even seeing DD's style in battle without it shaking her up....
Another fight that DD has with Elektra involves CIS.. "He wants to hold her to kiss her, to caress her.. to make every prt of her soft and loving"... hes obvously in love with her and that affected his ability to fight...CIS...fail.
The only failure I see here, is yours at reading comics instead of meandering respect threads.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneElektra's more effected, Elektra doesn't want the fight. Elektra owns DD. it's enough.
The only proof you have is this, and im not even sure if thats enough considering that they have history.http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/?action=view¤t=Elektra_Fights_Daredevil_v2_078_05.jpg
http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/?action=view¤t=Elektra_Fights_Daredevil_v2_078_06.jpg
http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/?action=view¤t=Elektra_Fights_Daredevil_168-05.jpg
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneI see, so it's CIS when it's Elektra fighting DD. But when it's Elektra taking on her own boogyman CIS doesn't come into the equation...
In fact she still can't beat Bullseyes after her upgrade and the only reason why she won was because Bullseye wanted to kill her slowly.
Self Serving yet again.
I suppose the fact that Bullseye had been using the Hand's files on Elektra training speciffically for her for months, and started playing head games as soon as the fight got started had nothing to do with his performance, nor did his rancid stench for that matter....
Pfffft, after she got over her nonsense and got serious she gave Bullseye a 2 hitter quiter. Not really sure what you think Bullseye getting embarrassingly owned when he had every advantage proves, but it's your tea party I guess.
Originally posted by Phantom Zoneuh-huh.... and Punisher also got disarmed by Elektra before he even realized what happened.
Bulleyes isn't even top tier and Punisher has beaten Bullseye TWICE in h2h.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYeah? And? Elektra looks good against... well practically everyone... Even took down super skrulls.
Furthermore Blade has looked good against an opponent that took out Morbius easily.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneClassic 5 ton Spiderman? Maybe. You know who else he has a good record with when he's in his right mind? Blade.
Morbius has a good record against Spiderman and Spiderman has a good records against top tier martial artists.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAnd Elektra's taken out ninja that almost took out DD. She's beaten top tier hand the likes of which have put people like Wolverine in a one sided fight.
hes also looked good against Spitfire whos looked good against the master man, guys that were giving Cap and Union Jack trouble.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone😂
Thats your problem you THINK you're always right before you even started to debate so instead of looking at the information displayed objectively you twist it around to suit your own personl view, anybody can do that if they try hard enough.
YOU talking about looking at things objectively... lmao
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBetter than yours- Pick a characters most inconsequential/circumstantial feat to the fight and use it as evidence for what a character can do.
Sranks debating = Pick any feat that a character has done and assume that its better than anything Blade has done.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
..and the vast majority of those are against humans and I provided scans from comic that prove vampires > humans.On that basis alone most of Blades feats are better.
The point is that Bullseyes isn't top tier. The fact shes been consistently owned doesnt help your case. 😐
1. I'm talking about skill. Not physical prowess.Not human thugs.Check her thread man she has impressed the likes of Shang-Chi and owned other very skilled characters through martial arts prowess. She has shown a typical comicbook knowledge of martial arts techniques (pressure points etc) to far higher standard than Blade. Retrained and also looked impressive against the frikkin Wolverine.Top tier feats.
Tell me what MA feats Blade has which trump these?
2. She lost. A long long time ago. She has come leaps and bounds since then.Bullseye still had to resort to projectiles then anyway.She was his better in the H2H department.
Again Bullseye trained especially for her. That is an immense factor.She doesn't get owned. She beat him then anyway.
Bullseye is a very good fighter too by the way.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1. I'm talking about skill. Not physical prowess.Not human thugs.Check her thread man she has impressed the likes of Shang-Chi and owned other very skilled characters through martial arts prowess. She has shown a typical comicbook knowledge of martial arts techniques (pressure points etc) to far higher standard than Blade. Retrained and also looked impressive against the frikkin Wolverine.Top tier feats.Tell me what MA feats Blade has which trump these?
Thats not the point. If Vampires are stronger and faster than humans then Blades feats are better than hers against humans.
Originally posted by Warrior18
2. She lost. A long long time ago. She has come leaps and bounds since then.Bullseye still had to resort to projectiles then anyway.She was his better in the H2H department.
Until she actually beats Bullseye again lets just not assume she can, how about that?
Originally posted by Warrior18
Again Bullseye trained especially for her. That is an immense factor.She doesn't get owned. She beat him then anyway.
and you think that would have helped in his second fight against Punisher.
Originally posted by Warrior18
Bullseye is a very good fighter too by the way.
Hes still second tier.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats not the point. If Vampires are stronger and faster than humans then Blades feats are better than hers against humans.Until she actually beats Bullseye again lets just not assume she can, how about that?
and you think that would have helped in his second fight against Punisher.
Hes still second tier.
😂
1.So Shang-chi whom she impressed, DD,Logan, Zaran, Razorfist, uber mystical Ninja or martial artists whom she has defeated or looked good against are crapper and less skilled than vampire canon fodder.They are less skilled than vampires like Deacon Frost etc? This is what you say proves Blade is more skilled? I thought you had more sense than that man.
Show me MA feats that equal anything Elektra or anyother top tier has done in order for me to accept the laughable notion that Blade is top tier.
2.Bullseye is her 'bogeyman', as someone else put it. He is a highly skilled martial artist who trains obsessively to fight specifically her. He is the typical literary arch enemy.How can you not see how this is a massive massive advantage to him? Again Elektra beat him anyway and has beaten or impressed other characters who would ko Bullseye.
3.What have Frank's encounters with Bullseye got to do with anything?
4. See post 2.
By the way I still favour Blade.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Until she actually beats Bullseye again lets just not assume she can, how about that?
dur
She DID beat Byullseye!
😱
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and you think that would have helped in his second fight against Punisher.
Oh please, He had EVERY. CONCIEVABLE. ADVANTAGE in that fight (not comparible to the Pun fight) and he STILL got two shotted into lala land.
Originally posted by jinzin
Shitacular "evidence" as usual.I scuffle that takes place off panel.
Doesn't help that there's no context given.
And it DOESN'T MATTER when you take into account that Vamps have natural weapons, to hurt, maim and neutralize a Human enemy when Human's and yes even Blade have to prepare with speciall weaponry to fight vamps most of the time. Vamps are exploitable to specific weaknessess. A bunch of thugs with berettas isn't one of them unless they have silver rounds. 😐😐
At what point did Sage become the "standard vampire"...?I can't wait to see more of this evidence of yours, next you're going to start posting feats from Ba'al and Dracula as evidence for why Vamps are better than Humans. 🙄
Uh-huh, I'm not sure what you think this contributes to the Elektra vs. Blade debate.... :cofnused:
Or even what you think that is other than a relatively poor showing for BP.Blade dodges bullets and jumps really high.. and that's more impressive because?....
Yup, Unless of course they're anyone of merit... at all....
Wolverine, Gambit, Spidey, Morbius, Blaze. None of these guys have had a problem getting a bead on him...Is that why SHEILD "cape killers" shot him unconscious and these guys got owned? Interesting.
Except of course where she's beating top tiers like DD and Wolverine or pulling off feats of skill with ease that take tolls on top tiers.
BOTH of them where in a relationship. They LOVED EACHOTHER, they are BOTH effected by the CIS of that relationship. The only difference is that Matt got over her faster than the other way around. Matt has more girl friends than Bruce Wayne, Elektra. She's had 3 boyfriends and only two of which she felt anything substantial for. She's had a hard time even seeing DD's style in battle without it shaking her up....
The only failure I see here, is yours at reading comics instead of meandering respect threads.
Elektra's more effected, Elektra doesn't want the fight. Elektra owns DD. it's enough.
I see, so it's CIS when it's Elektra fighting DD. But when it's Elektra taking on her own boogyman CIS doesn't come into the equation...
Self Serving yet again.
I suppose the fact that Bullseye had been using the Hand's files on Elektra training speciffically for her for months, and started playing head games as soon as the fight got started had nothing to do with his performance, nor did his rancid stench for that matter....
Pfffft, after she got over her nonsense and got serious she gave Bullseye a 2 hitter quiter. Not really sure what you think Bullseye getting embarrassingly owned when he had every advantage proves, but it's your tea party I guess.
uh-huh.... and Punisher also got disarmed by Elektra before he even realized what happened.
Yeah? And? Elektra looks good against... well practically everyone... Even took down super skrulls.
Classic 5 ton Spiderman? Maybe. You know who else he has a good record with when he's in his right mind? Blade.
And Elektra's taken out ninja that almost took out DD. She's beaten top tier hand the likes of which have put people like Wolverine in a one sided fight.
😂
YOU talking about looking at things objectively... lmao
Better than yours- Pick a characters most inconsequential/circumstantial feat to the fight and use it as evidence for what a character can do.
1. The point was that a standard vampire>a standard human in terms of speed/strength/durability.
2. Sage was a normal vampire, the only difference was that he had taken an experimental daywalker formula that would've allowed him to walk in sunlight if I'm not mistaken...nothing else, plus spiderman was also beaten by jamal afari, another standard vampire(the one who turned spiderman into a vampire in issue 1 of blade)
3. so all high showings for vampires are either PIS or low showings for the other characters? BP has possibly some of the greatest senses i nthe marvel universe, he sensesed the vampires their, he couldn't hear them sneaking up though. (they have also been shown to attack spiderman before his spider-sense could save him as well, once again afari and sage)
4. jumping feat, it shows a lot of strength, if anything it shows theyre equal since a majority of elektras speed feats are of her dodging bullets
5. in his fight with wolverine, the fight was written to be a stalemate (stated by the creator when he said he wanted to show blade was among these other heroes he was fighting (wolverine/spiderman/union jack) as for the gambit fight, it was in a gambit comic and blade stalemated him.
6. ...the fact that he has taken bullets form punisher and other foes and been fine, and that they shot him unconsious should b ean obvious sign of PIS...Blade didn't even put up a fight against them, he knocked out several of the soldiers before trying to negotiate.
7. ELektra is a great fighter, however Blade has master the sword and all of his other weaponry, as long as he's armed the fight will be even. I'm not saying that blade will wreck elektra as other people believe, The fight should be pretty even though.
8. And in the fight I've seen between daredevil and elektra, elektra took more damage before elktra finally managed to hold him, I don't really see tha tas a win for either, they just stopped...in any case I'm not sure a fight where they're both distracted/holing back is good enough evidence to prove either of them is more skilled.
9. in the third fight daredevil wasn't prepared for a fight and elektra pulled a sneak attack, thats a good feat for her stealth, not necessarily that shes better than daredevil though.
10. It's cis because in their fight they're stated to be holding back, as shown elektra doesn't even want to fight, and daredevil is emotionally distressed. I'm not sure it's stated in this comic that she's holding back because she's afraid of bullseye, unless it's been stated in which case you would be right.
11.-
12. Who didn't take down super-skrulls? Black Panther took down several in hand-to-hand, unarmed. Blade stated he didn't deem the skrulls a threat at all. He knew the rest of the heroes could handle them.
13. Spiderman has barely fought blade...the first time I did I believe he pulled a sneak attack against a distracted blade, their second fight where spiderman was going for the kill, blade put him down quickly and then proceeded to take out dracula.
Originally posted by jinzin
In handbooks?Yeah, I'll take feats> handbooks anyday.
Let me know the next time Blade deflects a bullet with his bare hand. 😉
he took a bullet by the punisher to the back and it didn't break his skin,
if anything I'd say her blocking the bullet with her hand was another one of her ninja mind-tricks, the same way she made the shield agent believe she shot her.
