Originally posted by Warrior18
😂1.So Shang-chi whom she impressed, DD,Logan, Zaran, Razorfist, uber mystical Ninja or martial artists whom she has defeated or looked good against are crapper and less skilled than vampire canon fodder.They are less skilled than vampires like Deacon Frost etc? This is what you say proves Blade is more skilled? I thought you had more sense than that man.
Show me MA feats that equal anything Elektra or anyother top tier has done in order for me to accept the laughable notion that Blade is top tier.
2.Bullseye is her 'bogeyman', as someone else put it. He is a highly skilled martial artist who trains obsessively to fight specifically her. He is the typical literary arch enemy.How can you not see how this is a massive massive advantage to him? Again Elektra beat him anyway and has beaten or impressed other characters who would ko Bullseye.
3.What have Frank's encounters with Bullseye got to do with anything?
4. See post 2.
By the way I still favour Blade.
Blade isn't more skilled, in temrs of armed combat though, neither is elektra,
Blade has impressed spiderman, black panther, brother voodoo, dr. strange, and several other characters, it happens but no one is debating that Blade is a martial arts top-tier, he has mastered several martial arts but he isn't a "top-tier" martial artist, he IS top-tier i nterms of armed combat, and the fight wasn't stated to be hand-to-hand, so why would we assume blade would drop the countleess weapons he carries on his person to attempt unarmed-combat with elektra?
his skill in arms is noted as shield attempted to make him their assassin, he was made leader of a super-secret organization known as vanguard, and was picked as the best possible choice to take down wolverine, before anyone starts ranting the creator said he wanted to show blade was equal t othese characters, and thats what he had blade say it was also stated to be a stand-still by a reporter at marvel.
Spider-Man blindsided a weaker verison of Blade in their first fight. However in another altercation Spider-Man said he wasn't going to let Blade go into battle with guns blazing......Blade said "try and stop me" low and behold he did try but wasn't very successful.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandSpidey.jpg
Originally posted by snoopdoggthats what I originally thought, but the fat punisher thought he was wearing kevlar and the fact blade shows no wound when he later see his back, it leads me to think the bullet didn't break the skin (he didn't even bleed)
TO be honest, I think the bullet did break his skin but just that it didn't do anything other than piss him off.
Originally posted by TrackzI'm guessing his healing factor healed up the would before it could bleed very much.
thats what I originally thought, but the fat punisher thought he was wearing kevlar and the fact blade shows no wound when he later see his back, it leads me to think the bullet didn't break the skin (he didn't even bleed)
Originally posted by Trackz
Blade isn't more skilled, in temrs of armed combat though, neither is elektra,Blade has impressed spiderman, black panther, brother voodoo, dr. strange, and several other characters, it happens but no one is debating that Blade is a martial arts top-tier, he has mastered several martial arts but he isn't a "top-tier" martial artist, he IS top-tier i nterms of armed combat, and the fight wasn't stated to be hand-to-hand, so why would we assume blade would drop the countleess weapons he carries on his person to attempt unarmed-combat with elektra?
his skill in arms is noted as shield attempted to make him their assassin, he was made leader of a super-secret organization known as vanguard, and was picked as the best possible choice to take down wolverine, before anyone starts ranting the creator said he wanted to show blade was equal t othese characters, and thats what he had blade say it was also stated to be a stand-still by a reporter at marvel.
1.Bro Elektra is more skilled. She is top tier. Balde is third or second.
2. With sword etc or H2H Elektra is better. She has the feats. She is top tier.
I'm merely butting in because I thought Phantom was implying Elektra is no top tier and that Blade is better than her in H2H and bladed weapons.
Originally posted by Warrior18blade is a master of all armed combat, how can elektra be more skilled? I'm not sure blade has ever been beaten in a sword fight and has shown mastery over weapons elektra has not. in terms of bladed weapons, they are equal.
1.Bro Elektra is more skilled. She is top tier. Balde is third or second.2. With sword etc or H2H Elektra is better. She has the feats. She is top tier.
I'm merely butting in because I thought Phantom was implying Elektra is no top tier and that Blade is better than her in H2H and bladed weapons.
Originally posted by Trackz
blade is a master of all armed combat, how can elektra be more skilled? I'm not sure blade has ever been beaten in a sword fight and has shown mastery over weapons elektra has not. in terms of bladed weapons, they are equal.
Aside from the fact that Elektra has used both blades and unarmed techniques to punk,win against and impress other legitimate top tier martial artists.
Blade has never bested in terms of skill the kind of guys Elektra has.
The fact that Blade has at times been shown to use guns more often than not could also be argued to show otherwise as-well.
Originally posted by TrackzFair enough but that WASN'T the point. The point was Vamps>Humans...
1. The point was that a standard vampire>a standard human in terms of speed/strength/durability.
Does that mean Vamps>Trained Humans?
Once again, as Zone showed, trained Vamps couldn't even get a bead on Blade, trained humans put him to sleep with the first round they shot off. 😕
Originally posted by Trackz
2. Sage was a normal vampire, the only difference was that he had taken an experimental daywalker formula that would've allowed him to walk in sunlight if I'm not mistaken...nothing else, plus spiderman was also beaten by jamal afari, another standard vampire(the one who turned spiderman into a vampire in issue 1 of blade)
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Originally posted by TrackzI never said any of Blade's showings are PIS it's been the other way around in this thread. 😕
. so all high showings for vampires are either PIS
Originally posted by TrackzNo I'm saying that single feat is a relatively poor showing for BP, Wolverine, nor Cap are able to reproduce it on the guy, AND that it's not a feat that has anything to do with this fight. Hand ninja are able to sneak up on Daredevil, yet Elektra is able to detect them and negotatiate them while in her sleep. 😬 It doesn't mean anything here though.
or low showings for the other characters? BP has possibly some of the greatest senses i nthe marvel universe, he sensesed the vampires their, he couldn't hear them sneaking up though. (they have also been shown to attack spiderman before his spider-sense could save him as well, once again afari and sage)
Originally posted by TrackzYeah they're equal in their ability to dodge bullets... Elektra still has feats of speed which outstrip this.
4. jumping feat, it shows a lot of strength, if anything it shows theyre equal since a majority of elektras speed feats are of her dodging bullets
Originally posted by Trackz
5. in his fight with wolverine, the fight was written to be a stalemate (stated by the creator when he said he wanted to show blade was among these other heroes he was fighting (wolverine/spiderman/union jack) as for the gambit fight, it was in a gambit comic and blade stalemated him.
Yeah, it wasn't. Even if if IF you want to delude yourself into think it was a stalemate, the only reason why they were even in a position of one was due to plot device, not because of Blade's skill or physicality. He needed a plot device to fight a weakened post-OR fight Wolverine.
Blade stalemated him like he "stalemated" Wolverine, by getting kicked upside the head and landing on his belly. 😐
Originally posted by TrackzTranq?
6. ...the fact that he has taken bullets form punisher and other foes and been fine, and that they shot him unconsious should b ean obvious sign of PIS...Blade didn't even put up a fight against them, he knocked out several of the soldiers before trying to negotiate.
The fact that he's been shot enough times to make that argument should say something about his "skill"..... He flat out admitted they were tougher than he was letting on.
Originally posted by Trackz
7. ELektra is a great fighter, however Blade has master the sword and all of his other weaponry, as long as he's armed the fight will be even. I'm not saying that blade will wreck elektra as other people believe, The fight should be pretty even though.
It won't be, she's more skilled, with more versatility in that skill, she has a far faster cognative process, and is low level telepathic.
Blade's a vampitre whoopdeedo!
Originally posted by TrackzCouldn't have anything to do with the fact that she didn't come looking for a fight, wasn't trying to fight him and was infact mid sentence trying to get him to watch the TV to see what had just happened... 🙄
8. And in the fight I've seen between daredevil and elektra, elektra took more damage before elktra finally managed to hold him,
Originally posted by TrackzIn choke hold helpless to defend himself, gee I wonder.
I don't really see tha tas a win for either, they just stopped...in any case I'm not sure a fight where they're both distracted/holing back is good enough evidence to prove either of them is more skilled.
Originally posted by TrackzWait which fight are you referring to here?
9. in the third fight daredevil wasn't prepared for a fight and elektra pulled a sneak attack, thats a good feat for her stealth, not necessarily that shes better than daredevil though.
If you're talking about where she trapped him. Yeah the only blows he even managed to land where the ones she allowed him to have when she lured him into a trap.
Originally posted by TrackzEven years, decades after their first encounter she has nightmares about when she died.. It matters.
10. It's cis because in their fight they're stated to be holding back, as shown elektra doesn't even want to fight, and daredevil is emotionally distressed. I'm not sure it's stated in this comic that she's holding back because she's afraid of bullseye, unless it's been stated in which case you would be right.
Originally posted by Trackzknew, prayed.. same thing.
12. Who didn't take down super-skrulls? Black Panther took down several in hand-to-hand, unarmed. Blade stated he didn't deem the skrulls a threat at all. He knew the rest of the heroes could handle them.
Originally posted by TrackzSpiderman was a vamped out berserker ignoring his spidersense.. I can't believe you think that Spiderman getting shot twice is his standard representation and in no way related to him being a vampire... It's laughable.
13. Spiderman has barely fought blade...the first time I did I believe he pulled a sneak attack against a distracted blade, their second fight where spiderman was going for the kill, blade put him down quickly and then proceeded to take out dracula.
Originally posted by TrackzI seem to recall the bullet hitting his vest.
he took a bullet by the punisher to the back and it didn't break his skin,if anything I'd say her blocking the bullet with her hand was another one of her ninja mind-tricks, the same way she made the shield agent believe she shot her.
The difference? It was STATED when it was a ninja mind trick. 😐
Originally posted by jinzinOnce again, the difference being Blade hesitated and didn't pull the trigger which left him vulnerable. Did you read the scans?
?Once again, as Zone showed, trained Vamps couldn't even get a bead on Blade, trained humans put him to sleep with the first round they shot off. 😕
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Once again, the difference being Blade hesitated and didn't pull the trigger which left him vulnerable. Did you read the scans?
All he said was that he didn't want to use the gun, If he's so skilled and strong and fast you'd think it wouldn't matter, given which issue it takes place in, it should be pretty obvious I've read the pages nevermind scans.
Originally posted by jinzin
did he? I didn't remember that.
Originally posted by jinzin
Fair enough but that WASN'T the point. The point was Vamps>Humans...Does that mean Vamps>Trained Humans?
Once again, as Zone showed, trained Vamps couldn't even get a bead on Blade, trained humans put him to sleep with the first round they shot off. 😕
Blaze, Conan, Cap, Wolverine, and BP have all been able to kick the crap out of "normal vampires", in droves. There's nothing that even approaches such a level when the guy is as fast and stronger than Spiderman.
Jamal bit him, not the same as beating him.3 I never said any of Blade's showings are PIS it's been the other way around in this thread. 😕
No I'm saying that single feat is a relatively poor showing for BP, Wolverine, nor Cap are able to reproduce it on the guy, AND that it's not a feat that has anything to do with this fight. Hand ninja are able to sneak up on Daredevil, yet Elektra is able to detect them and negotatiate them while in her sleep. 😬 It doesn't mean anything here though.
Yeah they're equal in their ability to dodge bullets... Elektra still has feats of speed which outstrip this.
Yeah, it wasn't. Even if if IF you want to delude yourself into think it was a stalemate, the only reason why they were even in a position of one was due to plot device, not because of Blade's skill or physicality. He needed a plot device to fight a weakened post-OR fight Wolverine.
Blade stalemated him like he "stalemated" Wolverine, by getting kicked upside the head and landing on his belly. 😐
Tranq?
The fact that he's been shot enough times to make that argument should say something about his "skill"..... He flat out admitted they were tougher than he was letting on.
And Elektra hasn't?
It won't be, she's more skilled, with more versatility in that skill, she has a far faster cognative process, and is low level telepathic.
Blade's a vampitre whoopdeedo!
Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that she didn't come looking for a fight, wasn't trying to fight him and was infact mid sentence trying to get him to watch the TV to see what had just happened... 🙄
In choke hold helpless to defend himself, gee I wonder.
Wait which fight are you referring to here?
If you're talking about where she trapped him. Yeah the only blows he even managed to land where the ones she allowed him to have when she lured him into a trap.
Even years, decades after their first encounter she has nightmares about when she died.. It matters.
knew, prayed.. same thing.
Spiderman was a vamped out berserker ignoring his spidersense.. I can't believe you think that Spiderman getting shot twice is his standard representation and in no way related to him being a vampire... It's laughable.
1. no it means generic vamp>generic human, trained vamp>trained human. as for the trained humans, no they didn't blade is written very differently, i nthe instance with the trained shield troops the yare vampires, he kills the mwithout a seconds notice, he doesn't however kill humans, the whole fight he was trying to negotiate, he told them he wasn't a superhuman and that he didn't want to hurt them. It was PIS, guggenheim needed a way t oget blade to sit-down with SHIELD, and theres no way he'd do that on his own terms.
2. yes it is, jamal bit him to get rid of him, jamal was a good guy, I hope you realize he could just have easily have ripped his thraot out with that bite...the only difference between sage and the vampires wolverine and others usually beat is that sage was a 200 year-old vampir with knowledge of his limitations and powers, the vampires Black Panther and others usually beat are newly termed and feral, ready to strike out at anything without full-knowledge of their abilities (I know tihs was the case with the vampire cage and black panther beat, even though they had trouble with their first one) Jamal Afari was a skilled vampire (taught blade many of his skills) before you say anything and is a little bit older than blade (who is over 100 years old)
3. Nor have I stated elektras showings are PIS, I feel this fight is close, honestly how do yo ufeel this fight would go if written?
4. I think it says something about their natural stealth, ad Elektra has some form of telepathy doesn't she, she can hear thoughts?
5. Such as? many of them appear to be more her ability to play with the human mind mixed with her speed.
6. Blade blocked gambits kick and landed in a push up position....as for his fight with wolverine it was stated by the creator and a reporter on marvel.com, Blade didn't need the plot device to beat wolverine, he brought it because it is actually one of the only ways to kill wolverine.
7. It was stated not be be a tranq...it was even stated the bullet hit him against his kevlar body armor...and it still knocked him out..it's obvious PIS especially when he took a gunshot to the shoulder earlier in the series and was fine....if blade being shot is any indication he has no skill, then wolverine/deadpool/sabretooth/midnighter are among the worst fighters in the marvel universe seeing as all of them have been shown more times than blade
8. Has she been stated as such? it's certainly not in the respect thread. Blade has master the sword how is elektra more skilled, he bested varnae in a sword fight (at full power he was able to do battle with thor, which says something about his skill) Blade has shown mastery over more weapons than elektra has, how is she more versatile?
9. Daredevil was just as equally distressed, and he had an arm as well as both legs free...I hardly call that defenseless, daredevil has gotten out of similar situations.
10. I'm lookiogn at the scans phantom zone brought up, in which elektra hit him i nthe back of the head with her sai, it appears daredevil wans't even fighting elektra....she just blindsighted him with a sai to the head, thats no indication that she's more skilled.
11. However was this stated, was it stated that she was holding back/petrified with fear or anything of the sort?
12. ...no...not at all...he didn't deem the skrulls a threat he's lived long enough to know that the other heroes can take care of these kind of things while they usually put super natuaral threats on the back burner.
13. spiderman stated he had his wit about him, and isn't stated he's ignoring his spider sense...his spider sense couldn't have served him here, he attacked and was punched into the air and shot in the kneecaps right after, it's not as if he was in the air for minutes or blade waited to take a shot..if blade hitting spiderman=spiderman ignoring his spidersense, then he must do that every time he fights a character as he's be nailed by captain americas shield and daredevils baton on occasion.
Originally posted by jinzineven captain america needed to use his shield, Blade didn't want to fight them, blade has shown when he wants to fight he ca ntake out hordes fregular humans easily, heck he fought his way out of the confines of the order of tyranna while he was missing his hand and hadn't drunk blood in a while, he was so weakened he said he could barely stand.
All he said was that he didn't want to use the gun, If he's so skilled and strong and fast you'd think it wouldn't matter, given which issue it takes place in, it should be pretty obvious I've read the pages nevermind scans.
