Originally posted by Silent GuardianShe HAS beaten Bullseye.. 😕
Elektra is really good but still overrated until she owns Bullseye, or someone else of note I will not hold her in high regards, compared to other heroes. If she takes down any really notable metahumans we can talk
Wolverine, DD, Taskmaster, Razorfist..... none of these people count?
Originally posted by jinzin
She HAS beaten Bullseye.. 😕Wolverine, DD, Taskmaster, Razorfist..... none of these people count?
Overall I still say Bullseye has gotten the better of her, I was not super impressed with their last battle.
I'm not even going to get into the Wolverine fights, cause that is a whole different cans of worms, that I will save for the Wolverine for Elektra thread.
Razorfist is a lame-o villain. I do not care if he has battled wolverine, Elektra, Spidey and whoever else. He is just not that impressive. Oh a guy with blades on his hands I am scarred. Seriously do you know how much stuff he cannot do without hands.
Now I guess I will give you taskmaster. But he is below Blade. I would say taskmaster is fourth or third tier.
Re: Why you fail
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I had a look at your respect thread but [b]Blade feats as a whole are better than Elektras because a big majority is against humans.
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Vampires!!!
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You might argue that Vampires are barely peak human but they are better than humans. Lets have a look at the evidence.
Vampires have slightly above peak human strength, but what about their speed / reflexes? Nothing on panel places it above peak human. The vampire superiority comes from a limited set of weakness that need to be exploited in order to kill them.
Nimrod was amped to around 1 ton and he basicly two shotted Dracula when they fought.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
A bunch of vampire thugs take out human thugs.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandPunisherhelp.jpg
This is your proof of vampire superiority? Some vampires owning some fodder? Seriously?
Of course a group of vampire is going to beat a group of unaware mobsters! For one thing, getting attacked by a group of vampires is pretty damn shocking and is bound to catch you of guard; and for a second thing - and I'm not sure if you are aware of this - but vampire's can't be beaten with conventional small arms fire. The have a set list of weakness that need to be exploited in order to kill them, I guarantee you that if those "thugs" had silver ammunition it would have turned out differently.
By the way... genin Hand Ninja are the equivalent of 12 men. You know what that means? Trained humans > vampires.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/wolverine_1-2-07.jpg
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
A normal vampires sneaks up on BP.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandBP.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeandBP2.jpg
... sweet?
Whats the relevance?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
This feat from Blade outstrips a big majority of the feats in your respect thread.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladefast.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladejumpin.jpg
Those aren't just vampires those are highly trained vampires with hi-tech machine guns. Look what they says 'he moves like lightning'. So Blade is so fast superhumans can have a problem getting a bead on him.
Highly-trained vampires > Mercs.
Based on what exactly? Oh, that's right the arbitrary assumption that vampires are automatically superior to humans. I can't believe I forgot that, how silly of me!
Did you see the scans I posted of a comparison between Cap vs. SHIELD Cape Killers and Blade vs. SHIELD Cape Killers? Cap excels and Blade gets owned hard. Cap is completely surrounded with guns already trained on him and he still kicks ass. Half of the guys after Blade don't even get down their ropes before he gets taken down with a single round. That's the difference between Blade and top tiers. That's how highly trained humans deal with Blade, like he is nothing more than a nuisance.
Seriously dude, half the shit in Blade's respect thread is human Blade beating down vampires, and that respect thread doesn't even include any of Blade's Tomb of Dracula days where he, the Harkers and Rachel were - SPOILER ALERT - owning more vampires! Blade's own history contradicts the very argument you are using to support Blade winning!
The majority of vampire appearances in Marvel are a testament to the very fact that vampire AREN'T better than trained humans; hell, a large portion of Blade's own history is a testament to the very fact that vampire AREN'T better than trained humans. As a rabid Blade fanboy you should be well aware of that.
Wolverine's owned vampires. Caps owned vampires. Conan the Barbarian has owned vampires.
Solomon Kane beat Dracula in a sword fight, and Dracula is an exceptionally among vampires.
Human Blade trashed hordes of Vampires and hung with Dracula for years before his retcon.
The Nightstalkers anyone? Frank Drake maybe? Harker and van Helsing?
Trained humans have been smacking down vampire since vamps first appeared in comics. What exactly do you think happened? Do you think that vampire vampires where buffed along with Blade's origin retcon? Give me a break.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Furthermore you dont even have any proof that Elektra can beat any top tiers.
"Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black."
She's beaten Bullseye, DD, Taskmaster, Razorfist, Zaran the Weapons Master, stalemate Shang-chi in a brief spare and she even owned two three superskrulls. Shes also done better against Wolverine than Blade, and has never been owned by SHIELD operatives.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That just simply proves that Elektra can sneak up on DD...fail
The whole point of it was to show that Elektra can sneak up on DD. That was my intent when I posted it. 😕
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
"Dulled by pain Dardevils hyper-senses fail to detect the mysterious figure..." ...Fail
They must have been dulled pretty significantly! dur
Not like it would matter. I've shown her bypassing his radar sense normally, and her saying she knows how to bypass Matt's radar sense. Not really seeing the relevance to this thread though.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The only proof you have is this, and im not even sure if thats enough considering that they have history.http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/?action=view¤t=Elektra_Fights_Daredevil_v2_078_05.jpg
http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/?action=view¤t=Elektra_Fights_Daredevil_v2_078_06.jpg
http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/?action=view¤t=Elektra_Fights_Daredevil_168-05.jpg
More than Blade his going for him in his favor.
Anyway, if you examine all the DD / Elektra encounters as a collective and not individually it paints a pretty clear picture of her superiority.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
In fact she still can't beat Bullseyes after her upgrade and the only reason why she won was because Bullseye wanted to kill her slowly.
Bullseye is obsessed with DD and by extension Elektra. He is fanatical and single minded in his desire, and trains himself with the soul purpose of not only beating them but outright embarrassing them. He trained against three Elektra holograms for months at a time, Elektra said he knew her abilities so well that he could predict her ever move.
Bullseye is a complete beast, the dude was holding his own against DD and Elektra at the same time, no street level MA could replicate that, but unfortunately he doesn't adapt very well or quickly if things go differently then he plans.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bulleyes isn't even top tier and Punisher has beaten Bullseye TWICE in h2h.Furthermore Blade has looked good against an opponent that took out Morbius easily.
Punisher gets no respect. 🙁
Bullseye hasn't trained to beat Punisher, and besides regardless of the fact that every one on KMC thinks Punisher can't beat anyone who isn't a comatose paraplegic, Frank pretty much beats everyone he comes across (aside from Daredevil for some reason). He's beaten Deadpool and Spider-man, he's classed with Wolverine half a dozen times with Wolverine and every single time preformed better than Blade did.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Furthermore Blade has looked good against an opponent that took out Morbius easily.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH4.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladevsDeaconBVH5.jpgMorbius has a good record against Spiderman and Spiderman has a good records against top tier martial artists.
Remember how earlier in this post I said that your "Vampires > trained humans" argument was an arbitrary assumption that contradicts Blade's history because for the most part Blade himself has been operating as a trained human who has been owning vampires?
Well this is what I was talking about. Thanks for proving yourself wrong in the confines of a single post though.
Originally posted by jinzin
Shitacular "evidence" as usual.I scuffle that takes place off panel.
Doesn't help that there's no context given.
The context is that two gangs met up one of them were vampires and one of them human. The humans actually knew they were vampires and were obvoulsy prepared for trouble. You know its like when two gangs meet up to exchange drugs for cash and ecah side is armed. At some point the vamps decided to turn on them. If you actually read the comic it shows you what happened. Marvel team-up issue 8 vol 3 (I think)
Originally posted by jinzin
And it DOESN'T MATTER when you take into account that Vamps have natural weapons, to hurt, maim and neutralize a Human enemy when Human's and yes even Blade have to prepare with speciall weaponry to fight vamps most of the time.
..you dont neccesarily need garlic or silver or any of that shit. You can kill a vampire by cutting its head off or piercing it through the heart and it doesnt have to be wood or silver. Blade has killed vampires with standard metal.
Originally posted by jinzin
Vamps are exploitable to specific weaknessess. A bunch of thugs with berettas isn't one of them unless they have silver rounds. 😐
and if you want to argue that vamps are equal to humans , the humans can at least put up a fight. Vamps can still get hurt and Koed, if you read the comic the vamps told the humans they were going to kill them, grabbed them and the next thing we see is blood everywhere. The humans didnt even put up a struggle.
Furthermore theres a very good chance they knew they were vampires because when the guys were talking to the vamps they were in vamp form. The guys didnt say some shit like " Whoa whats up with your face why do you have fangs...lets get the $$$$ out of here!!" They were chatting to them calm as you like.
Originally posted by jinzin
😐
At what point did Sage become the "standard vampire"...?I can't wait to see more of this evidence of yours, next you're going to start posting feats from Ba'al and Dracula as evidence for why Vamps are better than Humans. 🙄
Prove to me hes not. There no class 10 vamps....NONE. the strongest vamps are Draculas and Varnae and they are class 6. the most powerful vamps are the oldest at the guy is young compared to Drac and Varnae.
Originally posted by jinzin
Uh-huh, I'm not sure what you think this contributes to the Elektra vs. Blade debate.... :cofnused:
Or even what you think that is other than a relatively poor showing for BP.
It is a poor showing but its not PIS. Feel free to post scans of ordinary humans sneaking up on BP.
Originally posted by jinzin
Blade dodges bullets and jumps really high.. and that's more impressive because?....
The point is Vamps > Humans. Therefore thats better than alot of Elektras feats in her respect thread.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yup, Unless of course they're anyone of merit... at all....
Wolverine, Gambit, Spidey, Morbius, Blaze. None of these guys have had a problem getting a bead on him...
The point is Vamps > Humans. Therefore thats better than alot of Elektras feats in her respect thread.
Originally posted by jinzin
Is that why SHEILD "cape killers" shot him unconscious and these guys got owned? Interesting.
the difference is that:
1. Blade was holding back
2. Humans can be more lethal than superhumans with prep which is what they had. Those guys were specifically trained to take down superhumans and laid a trap specifically for Blade.
3. Morbius the Vampire was part of that trap.
Originally posted by jinzin
Except of course where she's beating top tiers like DD and Wolverine or pulling off feats of skill with ease that take tolls on top tiers.
Show me scans of Elektra beating Wolverine and DD. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
BOTH of them where in a relationship. They LOVED EACHOTHER, they are BOTH effected by the CIS of that relationship. The only difference is that Matt got over her faster than the other way around. Matt has more girl friends than Bruce Wayne, Elektra. She's had 3 boyfriends and only two of which she felt anything substantial for. She's had a hard time even seeing DD's style in battle without it shaking her up....The only failure I see here, is yours at reading comics instead of meandering respect threads.
Elektra's more effected, Elektra doesn't want the fight. Elektra owns DD. it's enough.
I see, so it's CIS when it's Elektra fighting DD. But when it's Elektra taking on her own boogyman CIS doesn't come into the equation...
Self Serving yet again.
Hey im not perfect I make mistakes. Unlike you however who think he right all the time.
How even if its CIS for Elektra you stated that Elektras has always looked better against DD in every fight. I really hope that the scans in sranks respect arent the fights you are refering to. Two of them involve Elektra sneaking up on DD and a third fight involves her using a trap.
Even the fight you posted shows Elektra breifly restraining DD. So are you seriously trying to tell me that its conclusive that DD couldnt have gotten out of it?
Originally posted by jinzin
I suppose the fact that Bullseye had been using the Hand's files on Elektra training speciffically for her for months, and started playing head games as soon as the fight got started had nothing to do with his performance, nor did his rancid stench for that matter....Pfffft, after she got over her nonsense and got serious she gave Bullseye a 2 hitter quiter. Not really sure what you think Bullseye getting embarrassingly owned when he had every advantage proves, but it's your tea party I guess.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by jinzin
uh-huh.... and Punisher also got disarmed by Elektra before he even realized what happened.
You missed the point I was trying to make but doesnt matter anyway.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah? And? Elektra looks good against... well practically everyone... Even took down super skrulls.
Super Skrulls got taken out by everybody, give me a break.
Originally posted by jinzin
Classic 5 ton Spiderman? Maybe. You know who else he has a good record with when he's in his right mind? Blade.
Why you taking the piss? You know thats not the only time they fought. That THING > Spiderman.
Originally posted by jinzin
And Elektra's taken out ninja that almost took out DD. She's beaten top tier hand the likes of which have put people like Wolverine in a one sided fight.
1. I want scans.
2. Yeah and Bullseye has done well against DD and Elektra but still got his arse kicked twice by Punisher. Just because she beat some ninja that almost killed dont neccesarily mean shes better than DD.
Originally posted by jinzin
YOU talking about looking at things objectively... lmaoBetter than yours- Pick a characters most inconsequential/circumstantial feat to the fight and use it as evidence for what a character can do.
Get on with it.
Re: Re: Why you fail
Originally posted by srankmissingninBy the way... genin Hand Ninja are the equivalent of 12 men. You know what that means? Trained humans > vampires.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/wolverine_1-2-07.jpg
Arghhh! Can you see what I have to put up with. Why dont people think before they post? Its just complete logic FAIL.
Re: Why you fail
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats your problem you THINK you're always right before you even started to debate so instead of looking at the information displayed objectively you twist it around to suit your own personl view, anybody can do that if they try hard enough.Hell if Blade had blocked SS sword strike you'd say something like " Its not a strength feat or skill feats its durability. SS isnt capable of destroying Blades sword in one blow so Blade is simply resting his sword on his body."
I mean if you're going to use this to prove that Nightwing is stronger than Blade you need your head examined.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6808/year1996throwsafridgetoenemies.gif
Hell I think you even tried to use this.
http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=year1999throwskgbeastlikenothi.gif
Sranks debating = Pick any feat that a character has done and assume that its better than anything Blade has done.
LOOK NIGHTWING BEATEN UP SOME THUGS!!! ZOMGOD NIGHTWING IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN BLADE!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/NightwingHush.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/NightwingHush2.jpg
Nah, me being right comes from the fact that I've read enough (which usually is close to all) the appearances of both the characters in what ever thread I post in. This is why I more or less only post in street level threads, because that's where my expertise is. If you know everything both characters have done before you post in a thread, its a pretty safe beat that your oppinion will be the right one... you should try it some time.
Your problem is you don't look at the context of any of the feats you post. Which leads me to have to explain Spider-man's strength has no bearing on Blade knocking Sage back two or three feat with a dagger. I seriously had to explain to you why that wasn't a class 20 feat of strength. Anyone with a passing familiarity with the world of physics and common knowledge could have told you that. Blade knocked back Sage, the only thing that factors into this equation is Sage's weight (and if he had managed to hold onto Spider-man after the impact, then Spider-man's weight would have been a factor also). Spider-man wasn't anchored to the ground. Sage wasn't anchored to the ground. There is no part of the situation that requires either Spider-man's strength or Sage's strength to be factored into Blade knock Sage back with his daggers. Nothing.
The Nightwing thing is another example of your mind not being able to grasp the context surrounding the feat. You see a fridge and you say "A fridge! That only weighs 2-300lbs! lolz" and ignore the fact that its the situation that makes it impressive. He is holding a fridge by the end of the cord, on the back of the flat bed truck. The fridge isn't scraping off the ground, but instead is trailing in midair behind the truck, and still Nightwing not only manages to plant his feat and hold onto the fridge with out getting pulled over the edge of the truck but he dodges attacks while he is doing it. Its not difficult to see why its an impressive feat.
I didn't try to use the KGBeast feat.
And the "OMG he beats thugs" really work on me, because my argument isn't "Blade is better because he fights vampires" teamed up with the arbitrary assumption that vampires are better than trained human which contradicts you're own character.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Nah, me being right comes from the fact that I've read enough (which usually is close to all) the appearances of both the characters in what ever thread I post in. This is why I more or less only post in street level threads, because that's where my expertise is. If you know everything both characters have done before you post in a thread, its a pretty safe beat that your oppinion will be the right one... you should try it some time.Your problem is you don't look at the context of any of the feats you post. Which leads me to have to explain Spider-man's strength has no bearing on Blade knocking Sage back two or three feat with a dagger. I seriously had to explain to you why that wasn't a class 20 feat of strength. Anyone with a passing familiarity with the world of physics and common knowledge could have told you that. Blade knocked back Sage, the only thing that factors into this equation is Sage's weight (and if he had managed to hold onto Spider-man after the impact, then Spider-man's weight would have been a factor also). Spider-man wasn't anchored to the ground. Sage wasn't anchored to the ground. There is no part of the situation that requires either Spider-man's strength or Sage's strength to be factored into Blade knock Sage back with his daggers. Nothing.
The Nightwing thing is another example of your mind not being able to grasp the context surrounding the feat. You see a fridge and you say "A fridge! That only weighs 2-300lbs! lolz" and ignore the fact that its the situation that makes it impressive. He is holding a fridge by the end of the cord, on the back of the flat bed truck. The fridge isn't scraping off the ground, but instead is trailing in midair behind the truck, and still Nightwing not only manages to plant his feat and hold onto the fridge with out getting pulled over the edge of the truck but he dodges attacks while he is doing it. Its not difficult to see why its an impressive feat.
I didn't try to use the KGBeast feat.
And the "OMG he beats thugs" really work on me, because my argument isn't "Blade is better because he fights vampires" teamed up with the arbitrary assumption that vampires are better than trained human which contradicts you're own character.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYep, I sure do.
Arghhh! Can you see what I have to put up with. Why dont people think before they post? Its just complete logic FAIL.
Re: Re: Re: Why you fail
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Arghhh! Can you see what I have to put up with. Why dont people think before they post? Its just complete logic FAIL.
You should see what I have to deal with. Some mook actually used this to say to argue vampires are better than trained humans. Can you believe it?
Blade gains the edge on a 4000 year old Sumerian sorceress in a sword fight(who stated she was a hap-ki-do champion):
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsDivinity.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsDivinity2.jpg
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yep, I sure do.
Pretty soon im gonna give up. Can you even hear this guy bvitching about the fridge feat?
1. The fact that Nightwing is using a rope that helps him lift the fridge.
2. Its going downhill!
3. Theres even a bit where the truck hits a bump, helping him lift it!!!
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6808/year1996throwsafridgetoenemies.gif
Nobodies arguing that its not impressive but looking at the situation, thats nothing that a peak-human couldnt do.
Don't get me wrong I don't always agree with Blade fans but you don't need pyschiatric help.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneOh, I remember that. That was classic swank.
Pretty soon im gonna give up. Can you even hear this guy bvitching about the fridge feat?1. The fact that Nightwing is using a rope that helps him lift the fridge.
2. Its going downhill!
3. Theres even a bit where the truck hits a bump, helping him lift it!!!http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6808/year1996throwsafridgetoenemies.gif
Nobodies arguing that its not impressive but looking at the situation, thats nothing that a peak-human couldnt do.
Don't get me wrong I don't always agree with Blade fans but you don't need pyschiatric help.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade gains the edge on a 4000 year old Sumerian sorceress in a sword fight(who stated she was a hap-ki-do champion):
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsDivinity.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsDivinity2.jpg
Blade gets punked by Victor Montague in a sword fight in two panels is stated to have weak swordsmanship.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Pretty soon im gonna give up. Can you even hear this guy bvitching about the fridge feat?1. The fact that Nightwing is using a rope that helps him lift the fridge.
2. Its going downhill!
3. Theres even a bit where the truck hits a bump, helping him lift it!!!http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6808/year1996throwsafridgetoenemies.gif
Nobodies arguing that its not impressive but looking at the situation, thats nothing that a peak-human couldnt do.
Don't get me wrong I don't always agree with Blade fans but you don't need pyschiatric help.
I "don't" need pyschiatric help? Thats very kind of you to say? I think I'll continue right on not getting any then. 😕
