Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er there was at least six of them.
Only two of them get it on panel. We don't see what happens to the other four. Only two of them could possibly be used to try and prove your point. And those two failed.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt's nice to see that your counting ability is as poor as your comprehension skills.
I see so there was more than two now...so thats like..6 people? We actually see four bodies.
Unless of course you're going to assume that the other four men, tried to fight back and were easily overwhelmed and even knew they were in a fight. which I know you would assume as much because you're a shmuck.
You don't debate honestly.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneOkay, so three! What a massive difference that would totally give them the advantage...
Well for starters there were three of them when they got attacked...and they got attacked by at most four vampires. So you're wrong there.
They may have been bit by 4 vamps, but there were at least six more in the immediate vecinity... They were heavily outnumber...Especially when a later panel in the next issue shows the horde was enough to cover the scope of a city street....
It doesn't prove your point, it's a piss poor example... GET OVER IT.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneUh.... yeah it does, you think they were expecting to be attacked... They weren't.
Ok yeah you're right still doesnt change anything.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneUh-huh... lets... since the sheer surprise on the kids face would indicate as much, especially when they had half the money still to give away. There's no indication that they knew they were dealing with vamps, no indication that they knew they were going to be attacked, and no indication of what happened to the 3 other humans there..... Yet you seem to have no problem making assumptions when it suits you.
Yeah you're right lets just assume that especially when they were in a potentially dangerous situation and they were buying GUNS.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAnd they didn't do anything.
Again as explained they had time to react after the explosion. The vamp spoke to them and told them what he was going to do.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYeah. And? Punisher was watching the deal go down from the roof and still didn't think anything of it, until they attacked the mobsters. Being ugly doesn't necessarily dictate that the mob guys knew they were dealing with vamps.....
Yeah the differnce is that those guys not only had fangs but they had mutated faces as well. The point is he wasnt suprised by his appearance its one thing to have fangs its another things to look like that.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYeah? And your explanation doesn't matter worth a crap. If people knew they were dealing with Vamps and the vamps would be hostile, it would make more sense to bring vampyre weaknesses to the table. I don't see any. Do you? But once again, you have no issue making assumptions when it suits you.
As explained already conventional weapons can put down vampire and hurt them badly just not kill them
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAs explained, exactly.
As was explained already they had time to react.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually looking at the end of the story I saw 11 vamps, to 6 humans, thats outnumbered but not heavily especially when those guys had guns, the vamps didnt even have a scratch on them..
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
When they got attacked there was at most 3 vamps gus and I vamp chick and three humans. That does not heavily outnumber them and if they were equal to humans in ability they would have at least got shot or put up a struggle.
their inability to take advantage of that time has nothing to do with Vamp physicality. It has everything to do with simply freezing up. They weren't expecting to be attacked.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
3 guys + 1 chick vs three guys = heavily outnumbered.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er no... 😕.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah lets assume that the reason why they couldnt react was because of fears, theres no waaayyyy it could have been because they were superior. The humans probably had guns and they didnt even react they could have at least shot them. That argument could be applied to one of them but not the others.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThey had time to react.... And didn't!
In that actual panel we see at most four vamps vs three humans, if vamps were as fast as humans, the humans would have at least put up a fight they got slaughtered.
You talk about nitpicking and yet you beat a dead horse, trying to make that little encounter more than it was for the vamps. They had the time to react, and they didn't. Is it a vampyre ability to have full conversations at the speed of thought now too?
The fact of the matter is that their inaction has little to do with vamp superiority once again, if they even TRIED to put up a struggle, your example would have more credit... they had time to react..
THEY DIDN'T REACT. 😐
Originally posted by Phantom Zoneprecisely so you can't very well use all of them to prove your point. 😬
Later on we see more vamps but we dont know what happened to the other guys.
Now you seem to have missed the rest of my reply to "nitpick" at this example so I'll ask again, what about all the time that vamps have done piss poor with human prey?
What about the vamps that have had their asses kicked in mass by the likes of people below peak human levels?
Did you know that one of vamps early foes was a human in a wheel chair?
This example doesn't prove your point and it certainly doesn't take precedence over years of MU historical accounts.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneI never said they didn't bring guns...
Its really stupid to think that when people meet to buys guns they dont bring weapons just in case something bad happens...dont take the piss.
God dayum.. can't fix stupid.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be fair there were more vamps than I expected but if you are on the same level as a human-being its going to take more than just a pair of fangs and superior numbers to kill 6 humans with guns.
No it wouldn't. Especially if you're catching them off guard while scaring the shit out of them. You're basing that statement off some battle arena setting and that's not what that was.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneOn panel in that issue, two issues later the next time we see Blade, there's mounds of ashes all around him enough to cover half a city street. It's likely there were more than 11 vamps, especially given the fact that their numbers are swelled enough to drop off the page.
There were at most 11 vamps and 6 humans that is superior numbers but thats not HEAVILY out numbered.
And who cares? The numbers isn't the only reason why that example's inadmissable...
Originally posted by jinzin
NOW:The REAL problem that you, both of you, no.. ALL of you don't yet realize or perhaps are flat out ignoring?
It's that your argument is built upon a flaw; it's built upon a serious and fundemental flaw which because of it, brings down your whole position unravelling it at the seams, and it's a simple one.
Everything, all the reasons that you have for why Blade should win, or why he's superior... they're all based on things OTHER PEOPLE have done. 😐
"Sage held Spiderman down like a baby". And that's a great feat!..............for Henry Sage... not Blade.
"Baron Blood, kinda almost, sorta, came close to overpowering Cap before getting his head kicked in...... And that's a.... well kinda, sorta, almost impressive mediocre feat........For Baron Blood, not Blade. ( And BTW if that's supposed to prove vamps are superhuman as a whole, it would only prove that they're barely so)
Dracula whethered Wolverine's attack and turned him..... Which is a nice feat for Drac... not Blade...
Even this crap about Varnae fighting Thor or Vamp thugs taking down a couple humans. What does it say about Blade?
Because at the end of the day, when you're able to get past all this "Vamp>Human" nonsense that's clouded the thread up so much, the real issue that needs to be addressed is the one that was brought up when this thread began...............What has BLADE done that makes him not only physically superior, but enough of a threat to legitimately take the majority from top tiers like Elektra here?
And response in this thread to that matter has been about as informative as Blades very own comic book appearances, which is to say...
simply put,
Nothing.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade wins, like the majority says. But Elektra will put up a valiant effort.
dur
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou don't think Elektra will put up a fight? She might.
dur
Originally posted by srankmissingnin😂 so true.
dur
Originally posted by Silent Guardian
no just not Blade. Dracula or any high level vamps
Seriously, I know right? Vampires are just too much! People don't know that Blade has much the strengths of vampires? Whats the deal? Elektra is a person but Blade is a vampire. Vampires eat people, so the are the best. Blade is a vampire, Blade is the best! dur
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously, I know right? Vampires are just too much! People don't know that Blade has much the strengths of vampires? Whats the deal? Elektra is a person but Blade is a vampire. Vampires eat people, so the are the best. Blade is a vampire, Blade is the best! dur
No I think Elektra could take out normal vampires. Like low street level loser vamps. But she would get stomped by Blade or any really ancient/powerful vamps. For example, Dracula
Originally posted by srankmissingninHumans are cattle, and Elektra is a human son.
Seriously, I know right? Vampires are just too much! People don't know that Blade has much the strengths of vampires? Whats the deal? Elektra is a person but Blade is a vampire. Vampires eat people, so the are the best. Blade is a vampire, Blade is the best! dur
Blade wins, you loose.....again.
Originally posted by Silent Hero
No I think Elektra could take out normal vampires. Like low street level loser vamps. But she would get stomped by Blade or any really ancient/powerful vamps. For example, Dracula
Dracula can fly, he has mind control and telepathy, he can shape shift, turning into a variety of beast or mist if he chooses, he can control the weather and call lightening bolts down for the sky. Blade can do none of those things. So why would Blade beat Elektra? Because he has the colossal stats of a vampire???? Dracula couldn't beat Solomon Kane in a fencing match, and human Blade and his companions frequently gave him trouble... and Dracula is a rareity amonst vampires for his above average vampire stats.
The only stat that vampires have that is greater than peak humans is strength, some where between class 2 - class 6 (although... Nimrod was amped to class 1 by Varnae and he practically two shoted Dracula), and Blade doesn't have an feats that put him in the class 2 range.