Elektra vs Blade

NOW:

The REAL problem that you, both of you, no.. ALL of you don't yet realize or perhaps are flat out ignoring?
It's that your argument is built upon a flaw; it's built upon a serious and fundemental flaw which because of it, brings down your whole position unravelling it at the seams, and it's a simple one.
Everything, all the reasons that you have for why Blade should win, or why he's superior... they're all based on things OTHER PEOPLE have done. 😐
"Sage held Spiderman down like a baby". And that's a great feat!..............for Henry Sage... not Blade.
"Baron Blood, kinda almost, sorta, came close to overpowering Cap before getting his head kicked in...... And that's a.... well kinda, sorta, almost impressive mediocre feat........For Baron Blood, not Blade. ( And BTW if that's supposed to prove vamps are superhuman as a whole, it would only prove that they're barely so)
Dracula whethered Wolverine's attack and turned him..... Which is a nice feat for Drac... not Blade...
Even this crap about Varnae fighting Thor or Vamp thugs taking down a couple humans. What does it say about Blade?
Because at the end of the day, when you're able to get past all this "Vamp>Human" nonsense that's clouded the thread up so much, the real issue that needs to be addressed is the one that was brought up when this thread began...............

What has BLADE done that makes him not only physically superior, but enough of a threat to legitimately take the majority from top tiers like Elektra here?

And response in this thread to that matter has been about as informative as Blades very own comic book appearances, which is to say...
simply put,
Nothing.

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Gotta say.....not gonna read that.

Blade wins.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! This is such spite, Blade kills her. Takes her too bed atleast

Originally posted by Silent Hero
HAHAHAHAHAHA! This is such spite, Blade kills her. Takes her too bed atleast

Originally posted by snoopdogg
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Gotta say.....not gonna read that.

Blade wins.

Blade would be at Soho f*cking Spitfire before Elektra's head hits the ground.

Originally posted by jinzin
It's a well documented fact that cape killers were armed with tranqs they used them over and over during the Civil War storyline, it's one of the reasons there was such a low casualty count. Though I will give you that the notion was that it was a bullet.. though it wasn't stated one way or the other contrart to your belief. In any case... How is being shot clean through the shoulder the same as taking the blunt force of a round to the chest?
It isn't. Are you saying that people who've been shot in the arm and ran away can't be knocked out by prime Tyson? Do you not understand that those are doing two different types of damage in two different areas and that those differences matter? It's not PIS because you don't like it.
Again, DIFFERENCES MATTER... just like context... Sabes and Wolverine don't dodge because they don't need to. Majorily speaking they can take hundreds of rounds from conventional arms fire without it even slowing their pace down. This changes a great deal when say Wolverine's healing factor is turned off. His skill level rises to meet the challenge to where even a guy like Scalphunter can't get a bead on him.
Blade? He NEEDS to dodge the gunfire because it won't take much to put him down. So once again? Aside from him being inferior.... what's his excuse?

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When Varnae fought Thor, he had no weapon and indeed barely even engaged in Thor h2h aside from one swing which missed it's target anyways..... Aside from that they both just flew around and blasted the crap out of one another til Thor got some sunlight. At NO POINT WHATSOEVER did skill come into that fight, nevermind something like swordsmenship!
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Again... FEATS.
Elektra's tp, ninja magic tricks, and illusions are not natural physical attributes, they are learned abilities. Her SKILL LEVEL is why she's able to do the things she does, such as the silent scream, mindcontrol, bodyswapping, and enhanced superhuman durability. Blade's skill level with a sword is good no doubt, but he's not the best or even among the best with that! The fact that Elektra can fight as good as blade with edged weaponry, guns, AND in h2h says something about her versatility. The fact that she has feats outsripping Blades in every one of these categories says something else. The fact that her skill goes past simple h2h techniques says something more. She's more versatile and quite more adept in her skill.
Here's the thing.... No he wasn't. Anyone with common sense can clearly see that DD attacks E with a wild aggression. He was extremely pissed that she had invaded his space. He pressed the attack and was hitting with intent, drawing blood. Elektra just wanted him to watch the TV... He got owned.
That's not even an example I'm talking about as I'm well aware of that fact. why don't you go over to her respect thread and actually read through the fights. 😬
And.... once again, nice to see the level of hypocracy you're willing to lend yourself to Mr. Jamal Afari.
The entire narration is pointed to represent how she's dealing with the head games. 😕
uh-huh.

1. the fact of the matter is blade has taken high-caliber weaponry before and been fine, and yet he is able to be KO'd by a shot (stated to be a shot, and even if it was a tranq it didnt get through his kevlar) and blows from the likes of an amped deacon frost and dracula and been fine. Yet he is KO'd by a mere shot to his kevlar protected chest? that screams PIS. Blade isn't harmed by gunfire...outside from that one incident gun fire has blow nthrough him and he hasn't taken any notice to it. the only reason Blade dodges gunfire is because it's inconvenient for him to be shot and uncomfortable to say the least. He has stated gun wounds can't kill vampires though.

2. Varnae was an atlantean who had lived for 1000's of years as a warrior, to say he wasn't skilled would be more than foolish. elektra is skilled with her ninja tricks simply because that is the style she chooses to use, Blade doesn't need suc htricks, why use a ninja trick to vanish from your opponents line of sight when yo ucan do so with pure speed? Feats indicate Blade has never lost a sword fight save for the one in Black Panther (his one low-showing) and has shown to be adept with near every other weapon, he's stated to be a master of every known weapon, how can one be more masterful than another?

3. How did daredevil got owned and his personal history with elektra obviously influenced him, he was in an uncontrollable rage, the fact that him with his super-hearing and what not, couldn't even hear what elektra was trying to say should indicate something. Plus elektra was bleeding profusely before she finally managed to put one move on him and gett a word in....thats hardly what one would call "owned"

4. what hypocracy, spiderman went into the room looking for a fight, and was taken out easily by jamal afari.

Originally posted by jinzin
It doesn't show that the gang had prepared to do battle with vampires. which lends itself to the whole point of where I was getting at before..... They didn't come prepared to deal with exploitable weaknesses simple as. In fact! They didn't come prepared to be attacked at all.
What else doesn't it show? That the human's had a "gang" or even standard "thugs"...

They were obvoulsy two gangs and they were obvoulsy doing shady dealings. When two gangs meet they bring weapons just in case. You probably want them to actually show them their guns and weapons instead of using common sense that they were strapped.

It was his first job for one of the guys but why would he be so stupid not to expect violence. Hell im pretty sure his Dad would have warned him. The fact one of them stated that 'he had point' indicates they were expecting trouble.

They were also not suprised when the vamp showed them their fangs so they probably knew they were vamps before hand.

Also when they attacked the boys from behind it wasnt straight away, they spent some time talking to them so the guys had time to react.

It should have been obvious the gangsters were dealing with vampires. Plus, regular weapons still hurt vampires, just won't kill them.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
It should have been obvious the gangsters were dealing with vampires. Plus, regular weapons still hurt vampires, just won't kill them.

Yeah b-but since it didnt state in black and white that they had guns or we never saw the guns lets assume they didnt so I can nitpick.

Lets not forget one of them stated that he was doing the job for his Dad and it was his first job.

Obvoulsy his father told him not to expect any trouble dealing with vampires. He probably told him not to carry any weapons and everything will be ok.

Not sure too many gangsters run around without any guns.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Not sure too many gangsters run around without any guns.

Yeah but we didnt see the guns so obvoulsy I was trying to twist things around.

At this point its not worth discussing it anymore, because certain posters dont want to debate they just want to argue.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. the fact of the matter is blade has taken high-caliber weaponry before and been fine, and yet he is able to be KO'd by a shot (stated to be a shot, and even if it was a tranq it didnt get through his kevlar) and blows from the likes of an amped deacon frost and dracula and been fine. Yet he is KO'd by a mere shot to his kevlar protected chest? that screams PIS. Blade isn't harmed by gunfire...outside from that one incident gun fire has blow nthrough him and he hasn't taken any notice to it. the only reason Blade dodges gunfire is because it's inconvenient for him to be shot and uncomfortable to say the least. He has stated gun wounds can't kill vampires though.

Once again, different types of damage to different parts of the body, and those differenced matter.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. Varnae was an atlantean who had lived for 1000's of years as a warrior, to say he wasn't skilled would be more than foolish.

He didn't live for thousands of years as a warrior.. He lived a rather short life as a frikkin wizard priest for Tulsa Doom before he turned into a vamp god via Darkhold, then he spent the rest of his time as a tyranical beast. You know I can honestly say that I don't ever remember him picking up a sword in any of his other appearances and that includes a few that were in classic Conan books, and why would he? He fights using henchmen and mystical powers... not weapons he doesn't need.

But he's some big display of Blade's prowess? HOW? How on earth is he viable evidence to say Blades a top tier swordsmen? You based that logic on some assbackwards notion that his fight with Thor is sheer proof of his skill which is absurd!
And how would fighting Thor (not even beating or hitting for that matter, but engaging) prove ones skill to be NEAR an impressive level? Especially when Thor isn't top tier himself. We've got REAL bonafied top tiers like Cap, Captain America who so impressed Thor with his skill in battle that the God was beside himself, and was even defeated by Steve because of it. Thor got beat by a mortal due to skill and forethought alone, and Varnae couldn't even manage to hit the same man. If that fight is supposed to tell me something about Varn's skill level, it certainly isn't anything good....

Anything beyond that it purely hyporbole. "I was an adept swordsmen."
Okay, compared to whom? Other Tulsa Doom priests? yeah, color me unimpressed.

Originally posted by Trackz
elektra is skilled with her ninja tricks simply because that is the style she chooses to use, Blade doesn't need suc htricks, why use a ninja trick to vanish from your opponents line of sight when yo ucan do so with pure speed? Feats indicate Blade has never lost a sword fight save for the one in Black Panther (his one low-showing) and has shown to be adept with near every other weapon, he's stated to be a master of every known weapon, how can one be more masterful than another?

And LOLOLOLOL 😂

Uh-huh, Blade COULD do those "tricks" if he wanted to... 😂

Your pathetic straw grasping is just getting downright amusing.
Look Elektra has the SAME and BETTER feats of combat skill,she just happens to be skilled in these other areas too.. it's what makes her.... you know, better and more versatile.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. How did daredevil got owned and his personal history with elektra obviously influenced him, he was in an uncontrollable rage, the fact that him with his super-hearing and what not, couldn't even hear what elektra was trying to say should indicate something. Plus elektra was bleeding profusely before she finally managed to put one move on him and gett a word in....thats hardly what one would call "owned"

You almost got them straws keep graspin!

Profusely huh? She had a little spatter of blood on her face that barely covered one side of her mouth..

ZOMG LOOKIT ALL THAT BLUD!!!! 😱

DD didn't have anything wrong with his hearing, he was simply not listening to what E had to say. It's called ignoring... you should be familiar with it as you do plenty of that here.

In any case, DD wasn't holding back for her safety, she was, she's more effected by CIS than he is... It's a superior showing to a top tier. Nuff said.

Does Blade have ANY of those?

hmmm lemme think on this one...

Originally posted by Trackz
4. what hypocracy, spiderman went into the room looking for a fight, and was taken out easily by jamal afari.

He wasn't incapacitated by vampire strength and speed, he wasn't beaten to a point of submission or KOed.... He got knocked down and was bitten, Jamal's ability to do that based on position, which Spiderman flat out stated.

Once again, if you think knocking Spiderman on his ass proves physical superiority to him in some way shape or form.... We have some problems that are beyond my scope to help.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
They were obvoulsy two gangs and they were obvoulsy doing shady dealings. When two gangs meet they bring weapons just in case. You probably want them to actually show them their guns and weapons instead of using common sense that they were strapped.

TWO MEN IS NOT A GANG!

That's BARELY a treehouse club.
there were at most what? 3 or 4 men that were in the car behind the kid when they were about to get out of vehicle.

And after the kid and the driver get out.... that's all we continue to see.. 1 kid, 1 driver..... No thugs, no henchmen, no other goodfellas. Don't know what happened to them at all don't know if they even DID get out of their car because they're not in another panel.

What we DO see doesn't lend credit to your argument.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It was his first job for one of the guys but why would he be so stupid not to expect violence. Hell im pretty sure his Dad would have warned him. The fact one of them stated that 'he had point' indicates they were expecting trouble.

Jesus Christ! You can't even interpret the simplest phrases of the English language correctly... you're hopeless...

They were not expecting to be attacked... they were DEFINITELY not expecting to be attacked after a massive explosion took place nearby.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
They were also not suprised when the vamp showed them their fangs so they probably knew they were vamps before hand.

And it doesn't matter Alf we've already been over this. IF they were expecting trouble, it doesn't mean they brought anything more than conventional weapons, they were STILL attacked from behind, and STILL outnumbered... HEAVILY.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Also when they attacked the boys from behind it wasnt straight away, they spent some time talking to them so the guys had time to react.

You're original premise was that they couldn't react due to vamp superiority... BUT now by your own admission they had the time to....

They just didn't... Whether it was feat induced paralysis, or they didn't think they were in major danger, etc etc.... they never even raised a hand to stop what happened.
As you said, they didn't even struggle. If they had at least THAT would grant you more credit to your argument.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah b-but since it didnt state in black and white that they had guns or we never saw the guns lets assume they didnt so I can nitpick.

Funny you should say that Mr. Wolverine wasn't sleep deprived and weakened.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Lets not forget one of them stated that he was doing the job for his Dad and it was his first job.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Obvoulsy his father told him not to expect any trouble dealing with vampires. He probably told him not to carry any weapons and everything will be ok.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah but we didnt see the guns so obvoulsy I was trying to twist things around.

At this point its not worth discussing it anymore, because certain posters dont want to debate they just want to argue.

lol I love it though, Alf.

You want to talk about nitpicking and arguing for arguments sake and here this pathetic street deal example of vamps supposing to be> Humans.... with nothing to back it up.

At no point did I say anything as asinign as "the mobsters" didn't even bring guns to the exchange. There's no doubt in my mind that they did, they're mobsters with names like Vinny. The only thing I said even close to that was that I didn't think they came with Vamp specific weaknesses. I don't even see crosses but apparently they brought silver bullets.......
My gripe with your example revolves around the fact that the humans in question were not toughguys, were not ready to be attacked, were semi-distracted with the large green explosion, and that there were TWO of them that we see go down without a fight... compared to the 12 Vamps we see Blade jump down on initially which is later revealed to have been a horde large enough to cover a city street in ash. And you think that somehow makes Vamps>Humans.

it's a terrible example to back up a near- baseless premise.

And rather than addressing the issue honestly, you decide to make this strawman argument to respond to instead it's pretty transparent that you can't deal with the real issue of the thread.

Originally posted by jinzin
Oh for ****'s sake......

TWO MEN IS NOT A GANG!

Er there was at least six of them.

Originally posted by jinzin

That's BARELY a treehouse club.
there were at most what? 3 or 4 men that were in the car behind the kid when they were about to get out of vehicle.

I see so there was more than two now...so thats like..6 people? We actually see four bodies.

Originally posted by jinzin

And after the kid and the driver get out.... that's all we continue to see.. 1 kid, 1 driver..... No thugs, no henchmen, no other goodfellas. Don't know what happened to them at all don't know if they even DID get out of their car because they're not in another panel.

What we DO see doesn't lend credit to your argument.

Well for starters there were three of them when they got attacked...and they got attacked by at most four vampires. So you're wrong there.

Originally posted by jinzin

Uh, no... he said "I get the point"......

Jesus Christ! You can't even interpret the simplest phrases of the English language correctly... you're hopeless...

Ok yeah you're right still doesnt change anything.

Originally posted by jinzin

They were not expecting to be attacked...

Yeah you're right lets just assume that especially when they were in a potentially dangerous situation and they were buying GUNS.

Originally posted by jinzin

they were DEFINITELY not expecting to be attacked after a massive explosion took place nearby.

Again as explained they had time to react after the explosion. The vamp spoke to them and told them what he was going to do.

Originally posted by jinzin

Blade had his fangs out Punisher didn't think he was a vamp. Interesting that.

Yeah the differnce is that those guys not only had fangs but they had mutated faces as well. The point is he wasnt suprised by his appearance its one thing to have fangs its another things to look like that.

Originally posted by jinzin

And it doesn't matter Alf we've already been over this. IF they were expecting trouble, it doesn't mean they brought anything more than conventional weapons,

As explained already conventional weapons can put down vampire and hurt them badly just not kill them

Originally posted by jinzin

they were STILL attacked from behind,

As was explained already they had time to react.

Originally posted by jinzin

and STILL outnumbered... HEAVILY.

Actually looking at the end of the story I saw 11 vamps, to 6 humans, thats outnumbered but not heavily especially when those guys had guns, the vamps didnt even have a scratch on them.

When they got attacked there was at most 3 vamps gus and I vamp chick and three humans. That does not heavily outnumber them and if they were equal to humans in ability they would have at least got shot or put up a struggle.

3 guys + 1 chick vs three guys = heavily outnumbered.

Originally posted by jinzin

EXACTLY!

Er no... 😕

Originally posted by jinzin

You're original premise was that they couldn't react due to vamp superiority... BUT now by your own admission they had the time to....

They just didn't... Whether it was feat induced paralysis, or they didn't think they were in major danger, etc etc.... they never even raised a hand to stop what happened.
As you said, they didn't even struggle. If they had at least THAT would grant you more credit to your argument.

Yeah lets assume that the reason why they couldnt react was because of fears, theres no waaayyyy it could have been because they were superior. The humans probably had guns and they didnt even react they could have at least shot them. That argument could be applied to one of them but not the others.

In that actual panel we see at most four vamps vs three humans, if vamps were as fast as humans, the humans would have at least put up a fight they got slaughtered.

Later on we see more vamps but we dont know what happened to the other guys.

Originally posted by jinzin
lol I love it though, Alf.

You want to talk about nitpicking and arguing for arguments sake and here this pathetic street deal example of vamps supposing to be> Humans.... with nothing to back it up.

At no point did I say anything as asinign as "the mobsters" didn't even bring guns to the exchange. There's no doubt in my mind that they did, they're mobsters with names like Vinny. The only thing I said even close to that was that I didn't think they came with Vamp specific weaknesses. I don't even see crosses but apparently they brought silver bullets.......
My gripe with your example revolves around the fact that the humans in question were not toughguys, were not ready to be attacked, were semi-distracted with the large green explosion, and that there were TWO of them that we see go down without a fight... compared to the 12 Vamps we see Blade jump down on initially which is later revealed to have been a horde large enough to cover a city street in ash. And you think that somehow makes Vamps>Humans.

it's a terrible example to back up a near- baseless premise.

And rather than addressing the issue honestly, you decide to make this strawman argument to respond to instead it's pretty transparent that you can't deal with the real issue of the thread.

Its really stupid to think that when people meet to buys guns they dont bring weapons just in case something bad happens...dont take the piss.

To be fair there were more vamps than I expected but if you are on the same level as a human-being its going to take more than just a pair of fangs and superior numbers to kill 6 humans with guns.

There were at most 11 vamps and 6 humans that is superior numbers but thats not HEAVILY out numbered.

I'm going with Blade here