Wolverine vs. Abomination

Originally posted by Blight
I don't see how Abomination would win this. Clearly Wolverine has stood up to Hulk on Many occasions...

I thought the only reason that Abomination has an edge over Hulk is because he has a stronger Base strength, the problem is it doesn't grow, and I KNOW Wolverine has lasted long enough against the hulk for him to have a strength that goes well over Abomination.

Wolverine Wins. Both in Writing and ESPECIALLY according to KMC Rules.

I have to disagree, even though I can clearly see your point of view.

Taking hits from Abomination, who can do like 200 tons, will quickly be too much for Wolverine's healing factor to handle. Blows to the dome affect him, as it's not like he hasn't been knocked out before. The reason why he survives a lot of punishment is because people deal a lot of damage to his body. Cutting his chest and arms and such won't do any real damage.

If Emil actually grabs a hold of Wolverine he'll dominate the fight easily. Abom could kneel on both of Wolverine's arms and Logan wouldn't be able to a thing. Like we saw in the last Hulk vs Abom fight (before red hulk) Emil can take a LOT of punishment and is able to almost knock out Hulk with a couple of good punches.

Originally posted by Comicbook_kid
No, I haven't bought or read a full issue of Wolverine since #55...the death of Sabretooth. I have flipped through a few issues of it here and there however to try and keep up with what's going on every so often...but for the most part, I think it sucks now...especially after reading those "battling the samurai angel of death in Limbo" issues, I was definitely done with the character. I had better comics to spend my money and time on.

I would like to know why he no longer has this ability now though...if you wanna fill me in real quick. What happened to change this? Or better yet, if you wanna post some scans that explain what happened that would be better...

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I have to disagree, even though I can clearly see your point of view.

Taking hits from Abomination, who can do like 200 tons, will quickly be too much for Wolverine's healing factor to handle. Blows to the dome affect him, as it's not like he hasn't been knocked out before. The reason why he survives a lot of punishment is because people deal a lot of damage to his body. Cutting his chest and arms and such won't do any real damage.

If Emil actually grabs a hold of Wolverine he'll dominate the fight easily. Abom could kneel on both of Wolverine's arms and Logan wouldn't be able to a thing. Like we saw in the last Hulk vs Abom fight (before red hulk) Emil can take a LOT of punishment and is able to almost knock out Hulk with a couple of good punches.

I feel the need to point out to you Speedfreak, who really messed hulk up in the past and spilled out his intestines.... Wolverine is on par (or possibly better) than the speed of Speed freak. Emil has never (to my knowledge) Really gone up against someone who can cut his body (almost) like butter (Speed Freaks Attacks come from Adamantium as well). I feel that Abomination might Panic when struck through the belly as he raises his arms to smash his opponent with 200 tons of pressure.

In the end I think this battle comes out to who can strike first.... and frankly, Wolverine has speed in spades.

Originally posted by Blight
I see what you're saying, unfortunately I always have to use Hulk as a base for abomination when it comes to a fight between him and wolverine because, Lets face it, the fight shown earlier between abomination and Wolverine seems somewhat either Outdated or Ludicras.

I feel the need to point out to you Speedfreak, who really messed hulk up in the past and spilled out his intestines.... Wolverine is on par (or possibly better) than the speed of Speed freak. Emil has never (to my knowledge) Really gone up against someone who can cut his body (almost) like butter (Speed Freaks Attacks come from Adamantium as well). I feel that Abomination might Panic when struck through the belly as he raises his arms to smash his opponent with 200 tons of pressure.

In the end I think this battle comes out to who can strike first.... and frankly, Wolverine has speed in spades.

I agree totally. And there's no reason to think the fight depeicted above isn't logical...as Logan said himself - your strength doesn't mean anything if you can't hit me. Logan can doge bullets..so he's not the easiest in the world to hit and if he's written correctly, he can dance around Abomination and cut his hide up...over time Abomination just falls over and dies and doesn't even hit Logan once. It's perfectly logical, just because he's knocked out Hulk doesn't mean he's beating Logan for the same reason. Even against World War Hulk, Logan slashed him up and hit him in the eyes with his claws - which would have slowed Hulk down A LOT and probably secured a win for Wolverine if not for Hulk's healing factor. People really need to get over this one-dimensional thinking of "he's stronger therefore he wins". You can't just ignore Wolverine's ability to doge, and the fact that he has six of the sharpest blades on the planet, plus the skills to use them effectively against bricks. It's just not logical to do so. The way I see it any brick who lacks significant speed to tag Logan and who doesn't possess practical invisibility or a healing factor that's fast is going down to Logan...

Oh, and to prove I am not just a dumb fanboy...

If you gave Cap Wolverine's claws he would K.O abomination

If you gave Shang, Chi, Black Panther, Elektra, and pretty much any top tier or even second tier martial artist Wolverine's claws or a blade made of adamantium, they would K.O abomination. Or any brick that doesn't have insane healing or virtual invisibility.

What comic and issue did wolverine KO Abom?

Originally posted by steverules_2
What comic and issue did wolverine KO Abom?

If you're referring to the scans shown earlier in this thread, the story they're from isn't Marvel 616 canon. I know this for a fact.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Its not 616 canon-I used to have that story. It was in a hardbook annual like publication, with 4 stories. 1 with Spiderman vs Venom, which ended with tte Stranger separating Brock from the symbiote, and kidnapping the symbiote. Another story featured a story in which the Hulk fought the Abomination. In this story the Leader uses a Gamma ray machine to transform Emil Blonsky into the Abomination-and at the end Stranger kidnaps him as well. In the final story Spiderman and the Xmen (the line up being the same as the one featured on the Xmen 1990's cartoon series) are transported to the Strangers world, where they fight Abomination (where that scan of Wolvie beating him is from) and the Symbiote (with no host, and mentally controlled by the Stranger)
Believe me that story is most definitely NOT canon!!
That doesn't mean that Wolvie can't pull out a couple of wins though

Originally posted by jinzin
there are events concerning Spiderman's fight with Scorpion in those issues that's very much in the canon storyline iirc.

The fight still wasn't canon Jinzin. The stories in this book were all tied together in the same continuity but it wasn't Marvel 616 continuety. Emil Blonsky was shown as being transformed into the Abomination by the
Leader (that didn't happen in normal Marvel continuety). The climactic fight where Logan (as a member of an Xmen team that was the same as the 1990's cartoon lineup) defeats Emil happens shortly after Emil is transformed into Abomination. Wolverine wasn't even created until over a decade after Abomination made his 1st appearance. The whole publication was made to be easy reading for those who only ever saw the characters featured (Hulk, Spiderman, Scorpion, Venom, Abomination, Xmen) on the Marvel 1990's cartoons

I haven't seen the transformation of Abomination though it wouldn't be the first time he's been Transformed, re-transformed, undergone changes etc etc.

There are definitely events from this series that I'm positive were referenced in later works. 😬

Originally posted by Blight
I see what you're saying, unfortunately I always have to use Hulk as a base for abomination when it comes to a fight between him and wolverine because, Lets face it, the fight shown earlier between abomination and Wolverine seems somewhat either Outdated or Ludicras.

I feel the need to point out to you Speedfreak, who really messed hulk up in the past and spilled out his intestines.... Wolverine is on par (or possibly better) than the speed of Speed freak. Emil has never (to my knowledge) Really gone up against someone who can cut his body (almost) like butter (Speed Freaks Attacks come from Adamantium as well). I feel that Abomination might Panic when struck through the belly as he raises his arms to smash his opponent with 200 tons of pressure.

In the end I think this battle comes out to who can strike first.... and frankly, Wolverine has speed in spades.

Originally posted by jinzin
I haven't seen the transformation of Abomination though it wouldn't be the first time he's been Transformed, re-transformed, undergone changes etc etc.

There are definitely events from this series that I'm positive were referenced in later works. 😬

Believe me thae stories had nothing to do with 616 canon. Their were elements in that story taken from Marvel 616 canon. But it was no more canon than the cartoon's of the nineties-and that story had more in common with them than the canon comics.

I'll be damned....

That's a might bit confusing.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Believe me thae stories had nothing to do with 616 canon. Their were elements in that story taken from Marvel 616 canon. But it was no more canon than the cartoon's of the nineties-and that story had more in common with them than the canon comics.

it really doesn't matter if Abomination did hit Logan anyways. He'd need to punch Logan quite a few times to put him under.

As it was brought up before, logan's taken hits from a hulk who's far exeeded the 200 ton weight mark. In Wolverine 145 hulk lifted a tree over his head that's in the 3-6 hundred ton range. He took punch after punch from WWH . Wonderman had to smash him a number of times and Logan was still on his feet by the end of that ... and that was with a severly weaker healing factor.... Same with Mauvais Wendigo and all that's giving Abomination the benefit of the doubt that he would hit Logan first, and continue to hit him fast enough to keep him from countering..... Which is a farse.

Originally posted by jinzin
it really doesn't matter if Abomination did hit Logan anyways. He'd need to punch Logan quite a few times to put him under.

As it was brought up before, logan's taken hits from a hulk who's far exeeded the 200 ton weight mark. In Wolverine 145 hulk lifted a tree over his head that's in the 3-6 hundred ton range. He took punch after punch from WWH . Wonderman had to smash him a number of times and Logan was still on his feet by the end of that ... and that was with a severly weaker healing factor.... Same with Mauvais Wendigo and all that's giving Abomination the benefit of the doubt that he would hit Logan first, and continue to hit him fast enough to keep him from countering..... Which is a farse.

As far as my arguments were concerned it was more a matter of "Assuming x=y", meaning assuming Wolverine would get taken out by, say, two punches done by abomination, he still would more than likely not make the land.

Also, everyone assumes characters are supposed to fight outside there scope of reality. When Has Abomination just grabbed someone and punched him in the head over & Over & Over again... the only character that has EVER done that was Hulk during WWH and it was on Wolverine, and it was only because Hulk not only did not have the time, but was 30 times more cunning than almost any other character (Abomination included).

Let's stop assuming, folks... cause it makes an ASS out of U & ME.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Oh, and to prove I am not just a dumb fanboy...

If you gave Cap Wolverine's claws he would K.O abomination

If you gave Shang, Chi, Black Panther, Elektra, and pretty much any top tier or even second tier martial artist Wolverine's claws or a blade made of adamantium, they would K.O abomination. Or any brick that doesn't have insane healing or virtual invisibility.

You realise someone like Cap would die if he got hit even once?

Originally posted by Blight
Exactly... and people also apparently haven't heard of Rolling with a punch... so even assuming Abomination can hit Wolverine, he can roll with it.

No he cant, because Abomb's fist is probably twice the size of Logan's head.

Originally posted by Blight
I see what you're saying, unfortunately I always have to use Hulk as a base for abomination when it comes to a fight between him and wolverine because, Lets face it, the fight shown earlier between abomination and Wolverine seems somewhat either Outdated or Ludicras.

I feel the need to point out to you Speedfreak, who really messed hulk up in the past and spilled out his intestines.... Wolverine is on par (or possibly better) than the speed of Speed freak. Emil has never (to my knowledge) Really gone up against someone who can cut his body (almost) like butter (Speed Freaks Attacks come from Adamantium as well). I feel that Abomination might Panic when struck through the belly as he raises his arms to smash his opponent with 200 tons of pressure.

In the end I think this battle comes out to who can strike first.... and frankly, Wolverine has speed in spades.

I can agree to this 🙂

Originally posted by Placidity
You realise someone like Cap would die if he got hit even once?

Yeah but abomination isn't going to hit him easily is the point...I believe Cap has the reflexes to dodge abominations punches...give cap an adamantium sword, and this ends very fast....unless abomination does manage to tag him that...just giving a possible scenario of how Wolverine MIGHT beat abomination not saying it happens every time. The reason why Hulk has not been beaten by Logan is because of his insane regeneration. The first time Wolverine would have KOED him if not for the fact that he was healing the wounds as fast as Wolverine could cut them. That was the retconned explanation anyway. Grey Hulk would have been one-shotted if not for the HF. Granted Grey Hulk is weaker than Green but still..during their last encounter Wolverine would have blinded Hulk and probably secured a win if not for Hulks healing...the same could be said for Wolverine but against someoen as strong as Hulk who doesn't heal nearly as fast, Wolverine has some huge advantages..suppose he takes out Abominations eyes like he did Hulks? Now Abom is screwed and is going down hard...he won't be able to ignore Logan's slashes (which were drawing green blood) like Hulk did because of his HF.

That being said Hulk has hit Logan and so can Abomination...if Logan gets grabbed before he can do real damage, then Logan's getting his brain damaged again. I say either way 5/10.