Originally posted by SHM
1) Sephiroth doesn't need to be durable, because he have regeneration.
In the fight with Bizarro Sephiroth, many parts of his body, after being destroyed, regenerated.2) Omnislash Version 5 isn't "being cut/stabbed with swords". It's an attack happening at insane speed(the creators said it happened in an instant), empowered by spirit energy, [b]and
a spiritual one(it was phasing through Sephiroth's body, directly attacking his spirit).3) Zack Fair was easily dodging machine-gun fire, from multiple enemies. The same Zack Fair who was speedblitzed and owned by Sephiroth, in his weakest form.
Not that those things really matter, because I'm sure some people here *coughPyronKnightBurningThoughtPhantheroscough* will just ignore them again. 🙄
Aren't you the guy who admited disliking Sephiroth and his fanbase, after creating a spite thread against him? Oh yes, you are:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f85/t500062.html
And you knows what that means? It means your opinion is not important, because it's biased [/B]
You seem to have a problem arguing everyone here because they are biased or have some other problem (which a lot of the time your right). So Would you mind to argue me instead? We havent argued before have we? Just to let you know, im not biased, i promise 🙂
1. Yeah, he kinda has to be durable, because what if he gets some kind of damage that cant be regenerated? Regeneration is usually from a cut or some kind of body part missing, so a bruise or if you decapitate him then he cant regenerate. And, o yeah, dante has regeneration too, and a lot of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPrx62QDiA At around 3:15 dante gets pummeled by a load of punches from nero, thrown into a statue, and then impaled by his own sword. He takes it out of him, and then walks (jumps) away like nothing happened. He was pretty much toying with him the whole fight.
2. Dont know what your talking about, wasnt following your and his arguement.
3. Everytime i hear about sephiroth hes always in his "weakest" form or he "wasnt trying". I have nothing against him, but you people need to stop taking this and using it against the person he is fighting against. Until he show us his true strength, you guys cant keep saying hes not trying, because we dont know what his "true" strength is. It could be barely a little more than what hes at now, or it could be way more than anyone expected. but until he does show his true strength, you cant use that against dante, at all.
And the people that were shooting at zack werent that great as a gunslinger as dante is. Dante has pandora, which shoots way faster than any gun in FF, so it would be a lot harder for zack or seph do dodge his bullets.
And dont even start talking about speed feats, dante is way more faster and skilled than seph ever will be. When dante was still young, he was able to cut bullets in half, can move to speeds where he is very hard to be seen, and can catch bullets with his teeth. And rembember, this isnt even dmc 4 dante, who is much more skilled than any other dante.
Zack dodges bullets from like 9 gunmen with machine guns firing at him from all directions, the same Zack who gets speedblitz'd by the weakest form of Sephiroth.
The most powerful form of Sephiroth is AC Sephiroth in which he was on screen for 10 minutes, of toying around with Cloud and not using his powers. His powers have been shown throughout the series and Sephiroth himself has been stated to be the most powerful character in FF7, which means he's above characters who can quake planets in a smack, move faster then eyes can follow, and literally make Dante look like nothing.
Dante is NOT faster then Sephiroth, Sephiroth is faster in both physical speed, and he even has instant teleporting.
Dante wouldn't even beable to move anywhere if he fought Sephiroth, he would get stopped with TK, or crushed by the NL, or decapitated.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Zack dodges bullets from like 9 gunmen with machine guns firing at him from all directions, the same Zack who gets speedblitz'd by the weakest form of Sephiroth.The most powerful form of Sephiroth is AC Sephiroth in which he was on screen for 10 minutes, of toying around with Cloud and not using his powers. His powers have been shown throughout the series and Sephiroth himself has been stated to be the most powerful character in FF7, which means he's above characters who can quake planets in a smack, move faster then eyes can follow, and literally make Dante look like nothing.
Dante is NOT faster then Sephiroth, Sephiroth is faster in both physical speed, and he even has instant teleporting.
Dante wouldn't even beable to move anywhere if he fought Sephiroth, he would get stopped with TK, or crushed by the NL, or decapitated.
1. Didnt he lose to cloud anyways? Yes or no question, please dont get into the whole "he lost but he wasnt really trying" thing. If he won, he won, if he lost, he lost. Thats it.
2. 9 gunmen would be a challenge, only if the gunmen were actually GOOD. What im trying to say is that dante is an expert with guns, hes used them pretty much his whole life, so dodging bullets from some wack gunmen isnt that big of a feat. Put it like this: if dante was the one shooting at zack, he wouldnt have been alive. Same goes for Seph.
3. I never said that sephiroth wasnt fast, he is. I never said he wasnt powerful, i didnt. Just... hes not more powerful or faster than dante. Please i do believe you, but just for some extra reference could you show me some of Sephs "great" speed feats? Because so far Dantes speed feats>>>>> Sephs speed feats
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. Didnt he lose to cloud anyways? Yes or no question, please dont get into the whole "he lost but he wasnt really trying" thing. If he won, he won, if he lost, he lost. Thats it.
2. 9 gunmen would be a challenge, only if the gunmen were actually GOOD. What im trying to say is that dante is an expert with guns, hes used them pretty much his whole life, so dodging bullets from some wack gunmen isnt that big of a feat. Put it like this: if dante was the one shooting at zack, he wouldnt have been alive. Same goes for Seph.
3. I never said that sephiroth wasnt fast, he is. I never said he wasnt powerful, i didnt. Just... hes not more powerful or faster than dante. Please i do believe you, but just for some extra reference could you show me some of Sephs "great" speed feats? Because so far Dantes speed feats>>>>> Sephs speed feats [/B]
Show me Dante's speed feat.
You can see some of his speed by his remnant Loz who is just a fraction of Sephiroths power
Sephiroth never really displayed much speed feats in his 10 minutes on screen in AC, but he did show a little bit
at 00:50 seconds he flys from a FAR distance to the entrance in a split second
pE_beLaiQXo&ap=%2526fmt%3D22
Frame by Frame, notice he's just a spec in the distance
Keep in mind that he also has instant teleporting
Terry that clip you keep showing is when Sephiroth is below Cloud and Jumps from below the screen of the clip your showing, he doesnt fly across, this is where they had already begun their battle which was always inside the little area of the city, so if he flew, he did not fly a great distance either, but I remember the film, i watched it yesterday and he didnt fly at that point straight towards cloud, he was already moving towards cloud after the first slash and continued then jumped.
Umm no, i used to think that as well, but if you pause it frame by frame you can see he's coming from the distance at super speed, he starts off as a dot, then the dot comes closer and it's Sephiroth, pay attention to the GIF i posted, or at 0:49, rapidly click the pause/play button so its showing in slow-motion.
It's a reflexive feat, yeah.
I've never seen Dante move his body faster than a bullet. Reaction speed is complementary of moving speed, you can't move fast if you don't have the reflexes to avoid running into a wall, but you can have fast reflexes and slow movement speed.
And I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but can't Dante slow down time?
He was fast enough to turn on fire, Speedblitz Argosax/Most powerful evil God[He couldn't even see him]
dodge bullets Lady shot at him, turn on fire, and was fast enough to hit the raindrops and prevent the rain from hitting him.
In DMC 3, Dante (before his DT awoke) was shown fighting with Vergil with such speed, the strikes could not be clearly seen, and created so much force that it created a sheild that prevented the rain from reaching either combatant; only when the two locked swords did the rain drop on them;[explains him hitting the rain in a better way]
In DMC 1, Dante was shown to have weilded Alastor in very quick fashion while glass fell around him (time slows down for the viewer so we could see the moves before the glass even touches the ground); Dante was also not DT'd at this point.
Yes. He can slow time 3 ways.
1.In DMC1-Bangle of Time.[Stops the entire world]
2.DMC3-QuikSilver[Slows down time--with his mind].
3.DMC2-Chrono Heat-[If he's in DT and hits an enemy time slows down]
Originally posted by Terryc250
What relevance does that have? Cloud is nothing to Sephiroth, even the creators know that. Sephiroth did lose, but he lost because he didn't use any of his powers or even exert himself, so it holds no relevance here.They're machine guns surrounding him, you would need to be insanely fast to dodge every single one of the bullets. If Dante was shooting Zack, Zack would dodge it, like i said, dodging bullets isn't hard for top FF characters, doesn't matter the aim because even if its aimed directly at the character the character will dodge it before the bullet reaches him. Sephiroth would dodge it as well. Sephiroth is much faster then Dante.
Sephiroth is more powerful then Dante, has Dante ever come close to holding a power capable of wrecking a planet with his mind? Sephiroth gained control over the power which is the source or "blood" of the planet which is the source of magic,power,energy, and gained control over the entity Jenova, which has powerful abilities.
Show me Dante's speed feat.
You can see some of his speed by his remnant Loz who is just a fraction of Sephiroths power
Sephiroth never really displayed much speed feats in his 10 minutes on screen in AC, but he did show a little bit
at 00:50 seconds he flys from a FAR distance to the entrance in a split second
pE_beLaiQXo&ap=%2526fmt%3D22Frame by Frame, notice he's just a spec in the distance
Keep in mind that he also has instant teleporting
2. Shooting where somebody is at doesnt necassarily make you a good gunman. Dante Would easily find out, and shoot not where zack (or anyother ff character) is but where he is going to be. Its easy to point a gun at someone, shoot, and for a ff character to dodge the shot. But its a different story when the shooter will shoot where your at, and where your going to be, so its much harder to dodge the shot. Also including the fact that the gunman thats shooting at you can move at extremely fast speeds also.
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Originally posted by Gumachi
He was fast enough to turn on fire, Speedblitz Argosax/Most powerful evil God[He couldn't even see him]
dodge bullets Lady shot at him, turn on fire, and was fast enough to hit the raindrops and prevent the rain from hitting him.In DMC 3, Dante (before his DT awoke) was shown fighting with Vergil with such speed, the strikes could not be clearly seen, and created so much force that it created a sheild that prevented the rain from reaching either combatant; only when the two locked swords did the rain drop on them;[explains him hitting the rain in a better way]
In DMC 1, Dante was shown to have weilded Alastor in very quick fashion while glass fell around him (time slows down for the viewer so we could see the moves before the glass even touches the ground); Dante was also not DT'd at this point.
Yes. He can slow time 3 ways.
1.In DMC1-Bangle of Time.[Stops the entire world]
2.DMC3-QuikSilver[Slows down time--with his mind].
3.DMC2-Chrono Heat-[If he's in DT and hits an enemy time slows down]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7UztLYJIgU&feature=related At about 0:16 he moves up to nero in a split second
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljVKGGWQHPs&feature=related He shows some sword speed in the beginning, and shows the he too can also fight very fastly in the air. At 2:28 he is instantly dodges the enemies attack. And at 3:19 he shows some of his gunman skills. He stacks bullet after bullet on top of eachother at the handle of yamato from a good distance away while dodging the saviors punch. I bet you the guys that shot zack dont have that good of an aim.
The stuff you showed me was alright, but not as good as dantes speed feats.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. It has relevance in the fact that to get sephiroths peak power, his biggest feats, we have to take his strongest from, which is from ac. And if he lost to cloud (in ac), then we know that the form of sephiroth lost to someone of clouds level. How did he lose anyways? Someone told me he got stabbed by a sword or something.
Cloud used omnislash. But that fight is PIS because Sephiroth didn't use, I'm pretty sure, a single one of his powers. All he used was his sword.He wasn't fighting to his true ability. It'd be like Itachi fighting someone but not using his sharingan. If he were to lose it'd be PIS because he didn't use the full range of his abilities, not because eh couldn't but because he chose not too.