1. Mass Effect 2 (If ever there were a series that challenged Star Wars' fiction, this'll be it)
2. Pokémon Gold & Silver (Rival Music, anyone?)
3. Metal Gear Solid 3 (nuff said)
4. Modern Warfare 2 (campaign ONLY, however short)
5. Resident Evil Code: Veronica X (Playstation owner 😛)
6. Halo Combat Evolved
7. Super Mario World (SNES. Umm the Cape's "buhweahm" sound is the best sound effect EVER)
8. Portal
9. Half Life 2: episode 2
10. Spider-Man 2 (first movie game that didn't suck)
With lists, establishing criteria is probably 95% of it. Because given varying criteria, I could make probably 5 different lists each with entirely unique games.
So we have:
- Best for their era.
- Best period, applying modern sensibilities to classic games. Classic games can be and are still excellent, but it's simply false to say they wouldn't suffer from such a criteria.
- Most influential and/or pioneering.
- Personal enjoyment.
...there may be other valid categories.
And I'd actually contend that a list of 10 is far too small for any but the last category. Any of the others would likely need 50-100 to begin to do them justice. So I will give it some thought and post a list, but it will be solely my list, not intended as a commentary on gaming in general.
Agreed, there are too many great games to narrow it down to just ten.
"- Best period, applying modern sensibilities to classic games. Classic games can and are still excellent, but it's simply false to say they wouldn't suffer from such a criteria."
"- Personal enjoyment."
Mine will be a mixture of these two criteria, as I'll try to judge every game by today's standards but I'll also factor in the personal enjoyment I felt as I was playing the game. I'll also be listing them as series unless there is only a single game.
1. System Shock/Bioshock
2. Deus Ex
3. Metal Gear
4. Silent Hill
5. Assassin's Creed
6. Half Life/Counter-Strike/Day of Defeat
7. Portal
8. Prince of Persia
9. Splinter Cell
10. Thief
11. Wolfenstein
12. Doom
13. GoldenEye 007/Perfect Dark
14. Hitman
15. Max Payne
16. Quake/Team Fortress
17. Unreal Tournament/Alien Swarm
18. Crysis
19. Killzone
20. Left 4 Dead
3-18 could change but 1 and 2 are pretty much locked in place. Loved those games.
not in order, and just my personal favorites. I cant help but think there are other big name games out there that i havent tried that could have easily made my list have i played them.
God of war 3
god of war 2
Zelda, OoT
Ratchet and clank going commando
halo 2
devil may cry 3
mortal kombat 4
ratchet and clank up your arsenal
super smash bros. melee
god of war
these were just the games i remember having a TON of fun while i played them.
Ok, so taking the "personal enjoyment" criteria outlined here:
Originally posted by Digi
With lists, establishing criteria is probably 95% of it. Because given varying criteria, I could make probably 5 different lists each with entirely unique games.So we have:
- Best for their era.
- Best period, applying modern sensibilities to classic games. Classic games can be and are still excellent, but it's simply false to say they wouldn't suffer from such a criteria.
- Most influential and/or pioneering.
- Personal enjoyment....there may be other valid categories.
And I'd actually contend that a list of 10 is far too small for any but the last category. Any of the others would likely need 50-100 to begin to do them justice. So I will give it some thought and post a list, but it will be solely my list, not intended as a commentary on gaming in general.
...because hybrid criteria would be messy and arbitrary, here's my list:
1. Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II (PC)
2. THQ Wrestling Series (N64 / GC)
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time (N64)
4. Goldeneye (N64)
5. Dark Sun Series (PC)
6. Thief Series (PC)
7. NHL '94 (Genesis)
8. Lords of the Realm II (PC)
9. Tecmo Bowl / Tecmo Super Bowl (NES)
10. The Elder Scrolls Series (Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion) (PC)
HM. Shining Force II (Genesis)
I include series, because I usually find it hard to separate a game from its series when they are closely intertwined.
A few more recent games would likely contend for the list, such as WoW, the Assassin's Creed series, and the Mass Effect and Half-Life games. But I have not had time to accurately place them.
Originally posted by Mister Retsim
2. Deus Ex
I actually stopped playing this about 1/3 of the way through back in the day. Never understood the hype. It was like a less polished version of Thief, set in the future, and with a chessy X-Files plot tacked onto it.
Here ya go Neb:
On Chrono Cross:
If the writers had spaced the infodumping out more or added more concrete plotting the story would greatly improve. If, say, Serge met up with demi-humans sooner (witnessing some actual abuse aside from two scenes) and Kid's "brilliant" break-in came after a few more plot events, the player would likely grow more attached to the female lead and empathic to the fantasy racism. As it stands now, you'd never know what the demi-humans are whining about and Kid was just some strange Australian girl who drags you around for some reason. Since nobody bothers to tell you the importance of what's happening until near the very end of the game, Serge and, by extension, the players have no reason to care about plot until Lynx pulls that body-swapping stunt. You are literally just jumping around, doing the random tasks the game orders you to, until the end. You don't get any feeling of accomplishment because it's impossible to say if there's anything to accomplish.
Getting into the issues of the setting: it makes no narrative or thematic sense. Robots, knights, pixies, pirates, time ghosts, and mushroom men are all smooshed together to from a world so random that it's impossible to tell if things are normal or if this is the fault of the Big Bad Evil Thing you're supposed to fight. Chrono Trigger, while far from normal, actually had the enemies and characters fit the setting of the time period you visit (you fight magical stuff in Medieval times, robots and mutants in the future, and dinosaurs in the past). Here you get have no idea if anything is "normal" for the area, making the setting unnecessarily cluttered and preventing the player from believing this is supposed to be a functioning world.
I've already made my issues with the party members clear before, so I'll just say that at least thirty of them should have stayed home in favor of a number that are actually relevant to the plot or main character. An officially sanctioned Silent Protagonist needs more interesting people to speak for him/her. Without that, the game is reduced to just throwing exposition at you and beating you over the head with a theme that seems tacked-on and self-contradictory.
Closing this rant, I say the Chrono Cross was a bold game that introduced a lot of interesting ideas. It just had no idea what to do with any of these ideas and came out a very beautiful mess.
By some dude on Something Awful.
Originally posted by Digi
1. Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II (PC)
2. THQ Wrestling Series (N64 / GC)
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time (N64)
4. Goldeneye (N64)
5. Dark Sun Series (PC)
6. Thief Series (PC)
7. NHL '94 (Genesis)
8. Lords of the Realm II (PC)
9. Tecmo Bowl / Tecmo Super Bowl (NES)
10. The Elder Scrolls Series (Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion) (PC)
HM. Shining Force II (Genesis)
NHL 11 is clearly better than NHL 94 😉
10. Silent Hill 2
9. Shadow of the Colossus
8. Shadow of the Colossus
7. Shadow of the Colossus
6. Shadow of the Colossus
5. Shadow of the Colossus
4. Shadow of the Colossus
3. Shadow of the Colossus
2. Shadow of the Colossus
1. Shadow of the Colossus
😎
Also special nod to Koudelka, a survival horror rpg on the orginal Playstationm which I remember being awesome.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
10. Silent Hill 2
9. Shadow of the Colossus
8. Shadow of the Colossus
7. Shadow of the Colossus
6. Shadow of the Colossus
5. Shadow of the Colossus
4. Shadow of the Colossus
3. Shadow of the Colossus
2. Shadow of the Colossus
1. Shadow of the Colossus😎
Also special nod to Koudelka, a survival horror rpg on the orginal Playstationm which I remember being awesome.
🤨
Originally posted by Me
In dis order...1. SFIII 3rd Strike
2. MVC1 and 2
3. SSFIV and Vampire Savior
4. Samurai Showdown I and II
5. GG Accent Core +
6. KOF 98
7. GG XXX Midnight Carnival
8. Project Justice
9. SF Alpha 2 Gold or normal
10. A bunch of other shit.
Yup, mostly fighters.
And Jet Grind Radio, Jet Set Radio Future, KOF 2002UM, Tekken 2 and 3 are all worthy mentions that fall into the "10" Category.