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Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Anyone else thinking Israel is a bit over the top with pretty much everything?
Not really...they're a tiny little country in the middle of an entire region with some 20+ countries that would like nothing better than to see them wiped off the face of the earth and have already been at war with Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria and are currently being faced off with Iran because of Ahmadinejad's incendiary comments 2 years ago.
they don't do anything by halves because if they did they'd be asking for trouble because they'd be showing weakness.
Does this mean they do some horrid shit?...unfortunately it does.
In know its an unlikely situation, but imagine if Mexico was firing rockets wildly into some US border towns (if there are any?), how would the US react?
Not trying to excuse Israel for these attacks, but you can see their background of thinking seeing as lots of top Israelis are educated in the USA.
The problem is, these days of two armies meeting on the field of battle in their uniforms carrying their flags are over, weaker armies use civilian disguise to there advantage and thus civilians get killed in these battles. Horrific situation.
And the Palestine/ Israel situation isn´t going to be solved unless Israel is wiped off the map or the Palestinians and other supporting countries are wiped off the map, or for some reason both peoples join together over generations or because of some major disaster.
Its all Bullsh**t Israel is allowed to do what ever they want and U.N. or U.S. does nothing, Yet The Palestinians are evil because they dont want the Israelis to build walled Cities and put up road blocks on Palestinian land. The Arab country's get Punished for having weaponry that Israel is givin by us U.S.A. Poor little Israel. They Have a Zionist doctrine and a plan to take back all lands that Yah-weh gave them in the time of David 2,000 years ago. Its wrong what they get away with. Now that the U.S. has set a precedent on "Preemptive strikes", that gives them free reign to cause havoc on their neighbors who just want to preserve their own sovereignty.
I agree Israel are treated allowed to get away with "murder" in the true sense of the word. If it some Arab country, or "Axis of evil" country doing this, Nato would put sanctions in and maybe even do some bombing, after discussing it for a year of course.
Even some press and media outlets are biased in their reporting, some in subtle others in not so subtle ways.
The hard and worrying fact is that a country with superior advanced weapons, is killing civilians in a prison camp resembling the "escape from new york" scenario.
This whole situation is still one of the most emotive arguments against religion that I've ever heard.
The moral high ground is straight out the window for Israel as far as I see it, from the reaction. No bunch is more righteous than the other here with so much killing on both sides. If Israel is the poor persecuted little bundle of innocents that they make themselves out to be, then let them show us that they are taking the attack with no retaliation. The rest of us could then go "Oh shit... look! The Isrealis DO need our sympathy/help" with ease, having then had it shown to us in that "rest of the world" thing that Israel's enemies truly are 'the Bad guys'.
It seems that all Israel need are a few bottle rockets to go flying over before launching all weapons (made in the USA) and hell against folk literally and figuratively, whilst claiming to be the less powerful party.
Bombing the whole of a people for the acts of a few to this extent doesnt seem to be thinking on a very high ethical plane.
(you could say that against both sides, true..)
This'll go on forever while the afformentioned religious dispute and institutional genocidal mentality that are an extention of it on both sides are allowed to continue as they have done all this time.
'Move both parties to Australia and then nuke the gaff' might be the easiest way to solve it.... f**k this pissing contest.
Either of theirs god really need to simultaneously prove their existance right now and come down here and sort it out.... 😖hifty:
But in the abscence of that possibilty, get all people out and then level the place.
To me it is only natural for Israel to strike back. With elections so close the Kadima party wants to reassure Israeli citizens that they will not shy away from dealing with threats and Hamas, whatever you consider them to be, is a threat. They go out of their way to attack civilians so when I read about members of Hamas getting killed I don't really shed any tears. Sadly plenty of innocent civilians in Gaza get caught in the middle and then you have the mess we have now.
In terms of moral high ground, I really don't think either side gives a damn. This is war, a conflict between two opposing forces who have been fighting each other for a very long time. The only way this conflict will end is until one side eradicates the other. Peace, in my opinion, is nothing more than a pipe dream.
I merely argue that they rather than taking 'an eye for an eye' ,the Israelis tend to take the eye, the head, the hands, the legs and yes, even the colon for just one eye. And they are helped to take it by the biggest power in the world.
(And even they, the U.S, seem to in this case be raising these same concerns themselves.)
Another problem which cannot be overlooked is other countries and groups outside Palestine who are fueling the fire even more, by supporting groups like Hamas.
The Holy grounds like the temple mount, Jerusalem and that Mosque are what its really about, both sides won´t stop until they control these areas. Lets face it either Israel or Islam is going to be wasted eventually.
Unless someone pops in from space and lets them know that the religion they follow are bollocks.
Originally posted by AutokratIn terms of moral high ground, I really don't think either side gives a damn. This is war, a conflict between two opposing forces who have been fighting each other for a very long time. The only way this conflict will end is until one side eradicates the other. Peace, in my opinion, is nothing more than a pipe dream.
Israel has only been a nation since 1947. So they have not been fighting a very long time. In fact Israel has not been a Nation for 2000 years. After WWII Allied powers sectioned of what is Modern day Israeli, and the country's that lost land didnt appreciate it. It was a doomed plan from the start. The Allied forces made promises to the Arab country's that they did not fallow through with. In retaliation they tried to take their land back,well land that was theirs for 2000 years since the fall of Israel and Judea. All you hear about is the suicide bombers from Palestine but just recently with the advent of Internet the truth is coming out. The Israelis are ruthless and will not stop until they get all the land That King David had conquered, They think "God wills it" and they are as Evil as Sadam Husein , Kim jung Il or any other Tyrannical state out there. The only reason Palestine uses suicide bombers is because they dont have a 1st World nation backing them with arms,Missiles,Tanks, Fighter Aircraft. So they do what they must. These people are not forced to do these things , they are patriots to their country, and Someone needs to check Israel because they are stiring a Hornets nest over there that will destabilize the world. Israel is going to start WWIII and they dont mind because its for-shadows the "end times" or Apocalypse if you will. Armageddon which is a derivative of Har-magedo an intersection between Israel, Palestine, Lebanon,and Syria if im not mistaken. They must be stopped.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Another problem which cannot be overlooked is other countries and groups outside Palestine who are fueling the fire even more, by supporting groups like Hamas.The Holy grounds like the temple mount, Jerusalem and that Mosque are what its really about, both sides won´t stop until they control these areas. Lets face it either Israel or Islam is going to be wasted eventually.
Unless someone pops in from space and lets them know that the religion they follow are bollocks.
Absolutely.
Lets hope its not Keanu Reeves then.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Israel has only been a nation since 1947. So they have not been fighting a very long time. In fact Israel has not been a Nation for 2000 years. After WWII Allied powers sectioned of what is Modern day Israeli, and the country's that lost land didnt appreciate it. It was a doomed plan from the start. The Allied forces made promises to the Arab country's that they did not fallow through with. In retaliation they tried to take their land back,well land that was theirs for 2000 years since the fall of Israel and Judea. All you hear about is the suicide bombers from Palestine but just recently with the advent of Internet the truth is coming out. The Israelis are ruthless and will not stop until they get all the land That King David had conquered, They think "God wills it" and they are as Evil as Sadam Husein , Kim jung Il or any other Tyrannical state out there. The only reason Palestine uses suicide bombers is because they dont have a 1st World nation backing them with arms,Missiles,Tanks, Fighter Aircraft. So they do what they must. These people are not forced to do these things , they are patriots to their country, and Someone needs to check Israel because they are stiring a Hornets nest over there that will destabilize the world. Israel is going to start WWIII and they dont mind because its for-shadows the "end times" or Apocalypse if you will. Armageddon which is a derivative of Har-magedo an intersection between Israel, Palestine, Lebanon,and Syria if im not mistaken. They must be stopped.
Another fight where groups like Hamas depend on anti-Jew propaganda, they fire a few rounds, then hide their arsenals among the civilian population so Israel has no choice but to kill civilians while targeting the threat and then Hamas plays the "Israel is killing innocent people" game.
If Hamas really cared about the people they claim to fight for, they wouldn't use them as cannon fodder and use their deaths as a tool.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
I agree Israel are treated allowed to get away with "murder" in the true sense of the word. If it some Arab country, or "Axis of evil" country doing this, Nato would put sanctions in and maybe even do some bombing, after discussing it for a year of course.Even some press and media outlets are biased in their reporting, some in subtle others in not so subtle ways.
The hard and worrying fact is that a country with superior advanced weapons, is killing civilians in a prison camp resembling the "escape from new york" scenario.
WTF, Saddam-Iraq killed more Arabs (Kurds and the like) while in power than Israel ever has and Nato and the UN did nothing except make empty "stop or else" remarks.
Israel has bent over backwards due to UN an U.S. pressure at times, given up land and what do they always get in return? Some militant-terrorist group like Hamas breaking the ceasefire, setting up sceanrios where Israel has to kill civilians in order to destroy the weapons being used against them and then playing the "we're the victims" game.