Israeli Bombing raids, over the top?

Started by jaden10133 pages
Originally posted by backdoorman
Jesus, why don't you tattoo that to your forehead. They have done other things besides that, such as keeping Gaza under siege. That's another thing, yeah.
Bottom line, they are in power. They are the ones calling the shots and they have no interest in allowing for a real, strong Palestinian state to be formed.

Stop being such a petulant child

Keeping Gaza under seige?...I wonder if that has anything to do with the 2000+ rockets fired from there in the last 2 years since Hamas came to power...Go figure.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You invite a few of their leaders under safe conditions to a neutral spot and discuss stuff with them...

That's how MacGyver'd do it.

The leaders of Hamas would be the ones saying "Israel destroyed, or bust."

No, he'd use common items laying about to make a peace gun.

Originally posted by Robtard
The leaders of Hamas would be the ones saying "Israel destroyed, or bust."

No, he'd use common items laying about to make a peace gun.

Dude...you don't have to give me diplomacy lessons...I happen to be the Emperor of Alaska.

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Originally posted by Bardock42
You invite a few of their leaders under safe conditions to a neutral spot and discuss stuff with them...

That's how MacGyver'd do it.

Does a massive shoot out in Rambo like fashion spontaneously erupt?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Qasam_graph2002-2007.svg

Here's an interesting graph...No of Qassam rockets fired at Israel from Gaza over the last few years with monthly markers

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Does a massive shoot out in Rambo like fashion spontaneously erupt?
Probably not, since that's a crazy movie

Originally posted by jaden101
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Qasam_graph2002-2007.svg

Here's an interesting graph...No of Qassam rockets fired at Israel from Gaza over the last few years with monthly markers

So, what you are saying is that Palestine behaved really, really well for years, and it kinda didn't work out for them at all, so they tried a new approach?

Originally posted by jaden101
Stop being such a petulant child

Keeping Gaza under seige?...I wonder if that has anything to do with the 2000+ rockets fired from there in the last 2 years since Hamas came to power...Go figure.


You do realize that there was violence prior to the 2006 elections, right?
You keep focusing on the Hamas period of Gaza, but it's pointless to look at it like that.

Oh and by the way, the siege was after there was a ceasefire agreed upon by both sides.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, what you are saying is that Palestine behaved really, really well for years, and it kinda didn't work out for them at all, so they tried a new approach?

Worked out well enough to get Israel to withdraw from Gaza didn't it?

Then they start their shit again and Israel go in and take over again.

You do realize that there was violence prior to the 2006 elections, right?

Yes i'm aware of that. But no it isn't pointless because things would most likely have been massively different now had the previous ruling Fatah party been in charge because they were at least willing to compromise rather than simply call for the destruction of Israel.

Originally posted by jaden101
Worked out well enough to get Israel to withdraw from Gaza didn't it?

Then they start their shit again and Israel go in and take over again.

I agree, Israel is horribly oppressive.

Originally posted by Robtard
How much of it was factually being used, tis what I posed, not stated.

Those pre/post Israel maps switch over a lot of land from "Palestinian" to "Jewish", you're telling me the majority of that land was fertile and productive cropland?

Originally posted by shiv
unwanted wasteland....?

In areas where soils are poorer it takes a larger landspace to rear a head of lamb for market**.

**Refer to Ranching vs The Amazon Rainforest for a refresher.

I also made reference to uses of "wasteland"

I'll make it clear so you don't accuse me of telling you things again.

Pasture. pasture unless you are a vegetarian then pasture is just a word you read on the Internet.

lamb and beef are from sheep and cattle. to exist outside daydreams sheep and cattle need grass. grass grows on land. Shopping mall + highway + parking lot + warehouse district = starving sheep = you're a vegetarian whether you like it or not. No wait chicken and fish are meat too but no worms and grain = you're stuck with fish and nothing else.

In order to put meat on your plate you need grass which is found on pasture or on wasted land as you like to call it.

If you prefer wearing clothes to running around naked and books, music and entertainment to staring into empty space then you'll need money.
To make money you're gonna have to produce more than u need to stay alive and then sell it. And to produce enough to trade you're gonna need a larger area of "wasted land" to feed a larger herd of sheep / logging / cultivating citrus olives barley wheat etc.

If you want timber for construction for making your fences and for making your OMG Furniture so you can sit on. Maybe a leather sofa with a wood base or a bed to sleep on or even wood tiling you're sure as hell gonna need forestry. Trees need a place to grow on I guess so You're gonna have to waste some land by allowing trees to grow on it unless you've evolved to a point where you don't need furniture and stuff.

If You go to one of Tyson Foods Ranches and start to point around saying "hey you're wasting land here." "and here." "and there!"They will laugh at you.

No I don't believe The locals were wasting land in 47' the fact that they were non-dead and had an economy and material possessions shows they were successfully utilising the resources available to them.

Yes i'm aware of that. But no it isn't pointless because things would most likely have been massively different now had the previous ruling Fatah party been in charge because they were at least willing to compromise rather than simply call for the destruction of Israel.

Yeah, hell, things may have turned out so well for Gaza it may have begun to resemble the West Bank.

Originally posted by backdoorman
You do realize that there was violence prior to the 2006 elections, right?
You keep focusing on the Hamas period of Gaza, but it's pointless to look at it like that.

Oh and by the way, the siege was after there was a ceasefire agreed upon by both sides.

If the ceasefire was agreed upon by both sides, then why the hell did Hamas continue to fire rockets at us? If one side breaks the ceasefire, why should the other do the same?

You seem to ignore the facts; Gaza was bombing Israel since eight years ago and we haven't done jackshit. It's about time to react to it. Even if the reaction may have been over the top and mismanaged.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
If the ceasefire was agreed upon by both sides, then why the hell did Hamas continue to fire rockets at us? If one side breaks the ceasefire, why should the other do the same?

You seem to ignore the facts; Gaza was bombing Israel since eight years ago and we haven't done jackshit. It's about time to react to it. Even if the reaction may have been over the top and mismanaged.

While I agree with the fact that Israel does have to defend herself against the militants who have moved aginst her, no arguement there what so ever, she doesn't have carte blanche to just kill the innocents there left right and center.

What'd have happened for example if we (Britain) just nuked Ireland's innocent populous just because of the IRA blowing the shit out of us...? Rightly, we'd have been condemned...!
The response has to be proportionate.

You'll need international backing on this one.
If other enemies decide that "Our enemy's enemy is our friend" and all pile in, then thats when some even-more-serious shit may go down.

A murderous, indiscriminate borderline-genocidal approach will just piss away the sympathy that Israel can rightly have after the broken ceasefire and creates more martyrs on both sides..

When you've got every major nation in the western world going "Hang on a minute!!!" at you, Its best to listen to what they have to say.

So if a terrorist group is literally hiding itself among the populace and using it as a shield, how do you take out the insurgency without harming the civilians? The, supposedly, greatest country in the world, can't do it. Is there any actual solution to, or counter to such tactics? Not nescesarilly defending Israel's tactics, but no country has ever actually gotten past this before...

sure but it depends on the needs of the greatest company in the world..lol

Im thinking that an International force might have to come in and temporarily seize the area, if Israel stops the attacks, finding and capturing the Militants responsible for the attacks, meanwhile if any war crimes against individuals Israel need pursuing, Israel should give up those responsible.

Then if Hamas continue then the assembled force could back Israel legitmately.

Thats all I could think of, and Im sure the plan isnt perfect, but its all I could honestly think of...

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
So if a terrorist group is literally hiding itself among the populace and using it as a shield, how do you take out the insurgency without harming the civilians? The, supposedly, greatest country in the world, can't do it. Is there any actual solution to, or counter to such tactics? Not nescesarilly defending Israel's tactics, but no country has ever actually gotten past this before...

Us Brits are still here after the IRA, and the bombings of WW2, arent we...?

That... doesn't really answer my question. 😐