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Originally posted by backdoorman
Hamas honored the truce no less than Israel did. But if you think about it, this is also a rather unimportant detail since both sides had decided to refight the war, even as they negotiated the truce in June.
No. No. Hamas never stopped firing rockets at Israel, despite constant warnings about potential aggressive military action. They never had any intention of honoring the truce. Believe me when I say that we would have done absolutely nothing to them had they stopped firing the goddamn missiles. In fact, if they came forward and actually attempted to rationally negotiate over potential borders for the Palestinian Country, we would have listened and things would be a lot more peaceful.
Instead, they chose to continue their bombing and oppression of Sderot. And guess what? After they ****ed up Fatah, we- for the purpose of exerting pressure over them- entered a military siege of Gaza. In fact, that was- with their lack of diplomatic ability- the most peaceful response of all; to pressure them into caving and stopping the attacks without actually killing anyone.
Instead, they smuggled rockets from Iran.
Originally posted by backdoorman
Hahaha, yeah? Tell me, how many people have died or were seriously injured in this town that made life so impossible? Something like 12 in the last four years? Whatever the figure I bet it pales in comparison to the 600 (or is it something like 700? Not sure) Palestinian deaths in the last couple of weeks.
You want statistics?
-30% of Sderot's inhabitants have post traumatic stress disorder; even more of them have suffered from shock as a result of the Qassam's explosions.
-More than 7000 rockets had fallen on the city, in total.
-This lasted for eight years.
It's not unheard of that 20 rockets fall on the city a day. Let me put it this way; there isn't any school. Working at jobs is very limited. Property damage is in the millions and hundreds of people are homeless. Poverty is rampant. These people are barely even able to leave their houses; they have to constantly be in range of a safe location in which they can hide in the event of a Qassam bombing.
Imagine if you lived in a place where you were unable to go to school. You were unable to work full time. You were unable to go to the movies, go watch a football game, go hang out with your friends. If you did, you'd be at immense risk of having a rocket blowing up on you. These people don't have lives; they were robbed by the Hamas.
I invite you to go live in Sderot for a week. At the moment, you're typing this from your comfortable house in your peaceful land, without any knowledge of what it is like to have rockets explode in your city every two hours. It's a lot easier to ***** about the evil Israelis when you aren't in any danger yourself.
Let me give you a small history of the conflict: It all begun when Hamas began firing rockets at Sderot, a relatively nearby city. Now, initially, Israel didn't give much of a damn about this; they were in too deep with further troubles. The people of Sderot figured this was temporary; it'd be gone in a month or two. It didn't. The Israeli government did its best to delay a military reaction; negotiations, peace offerings. Hell, Gaza was given back to them in 2005, which was supposed to be a landmark in the peace effort between the Palestinians and the Israelis.
Israel did everything it could- EVERYTHING- to peacefully end this war. Eventually, Hamas became the sole ruler of Gaza- where they act as a totalitarian, all-powerful regime. They feed the kids propaganda and they control their masses with terror and fear; all the while directing the public's hate at Israel. We've done everything we could. We've agreed to a ceasefire; which was soon broken by the Hamas. Ever since we gave Gaza back, they number of rockets deployed has increased TREMENDOUSLY- so you can see a general response to any peace effort made by Israel. So, eventually the put the Fatah down. Our first sign of military action was the blockade. Now, the blockade allowed only the absolutely minimal amount of food and medicine necessary to prevent a humanitarian crisis to be delivered to Gaza; it was the sign that they should stop. But no! Despite a myriad of warnings and threats, Hamas didn't stop. They wouldn't listen to any offer of ours and they completely ignored our initial military pressure. You understand, these people are insane- so religiously extreme that they are unwilling to see any sort of reason. These are the people you're defending- the people who use armies of brainwashed children as human shields.
And now you're blaming us for reacting militarily. I lol at your pathetic bias and ignorance.
Originally posted by backdoorman
They'll give the smallest **** about them when Israel stops ****ing them in the ass and proposes something fair for the Palestinian people. Such as something so unimaginably fantastic as statehood with reasonable borders.
You think we didn't do that? The West Bank itself is in Palestinian hands. In fact, we had little problem with the people there- we still don't. That's because they aren't ruled by a bunch of insane, cowardly terrorists. Now Gaza? They aren't willing to listen to any possible offer or reason. Maybe this military action will weaken their resolve and make them listen to rationality a bit more.
I personally think that whatever land they want will be given to them, so long as their limitations are large enough to prevent them from launching an offensive at us. Yeah, give 'em the West Wall for all I care. But the fact is, the Hamas doesn't simply want Jerusalem- they want the entirety of Israel.
I can't help but feel that international intervention in the region may, after all, be the most reasonable course of action. Knightfall, don't confuse the need for peace with cowardice- it's a stupid and narrow-minded philosophy.
You understand, we hit him as hard as we can without destroying Gaza entirely. With their fanatical resolve now weakened, now is the perfect time for us to withdraw from Gaza- or at least to stop massacring the Arabs- and call for international intervention, namely from the U.S, in order to calm the region down and enable the procedure of more controlled and peaceful negotiations. Continuing more and more and more war is senseless; now, after this military attack, is the time for further policing and the restoration of some sort of peace. The idea isn't just to kill all the Arabs; it's to damage their moral and fighting resolve, while stopping the Sderot oppression and damaging the Hamas beyond quick repair. Just enough for Obama to come in and act as an effective middle man for peace discussing between us. Trust me, we both want it.