John McClane VS Martin Riggs

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well my argument is that he'd STILL find a way out of it due to said inventiveness.

Like thats not obvious, but it was an example that inventiveness wins fights, regardless of the type of fight.

Yes. Thats how I meant it.

I have already.

"Duuuuuhhhhh?" and "Whatever....?" on the same evening...?

Im sorry, but has a 13 yr old suddenly gotten the keyboard tonight or what...? Give it back to Rogue Jedi and go to bed, kid. 😛

bewbz ha-son

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And McClanes better at THAT too, than Riggs.

Or not. 🙄

Well thats kind of hard to get across with "Whatever" (especially followed by rolleyes.) 'Cause thats what pubescent teens chatting back to their parents do. So forgive my misunderstanding you there.

But you wont have that debate as you drew the Duhhhhhhhhhhh revolver first.

Still. Its all small fry.
Lets move on.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Or not. 🙄

Well thats kind of hard to get across with "Whatever" (especially followed by rolleyes.) 'Cause thats what pubescent teens chatting back to their parents do. So forgive my misunderstanding you there.

But you wont have that debate as you drew the Duhhhhhhhhhhh revolver first.

Still. Its all small fry.
Lets move on.

Thats true.

For that usually is the sign that a Riggs-dispensed death is coming.
Like the ominous foreshadowing of thunderstorm.

But Riggs always has to painfully reset it first.

Yup, it usually leads to berzerker Riggs.

That steroid pumped bastard!

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And this whole "criminal mastermind" bullshit is just that, bullshit. Riggs is facing McLaine one on one, not with a group of terrorists. Being to luck ones way through a battle with a "criminal mastermind" has no bearing here.

It certainly does not, you're crying "bullshit" becuase it doesn't favor yuor boy Riggs. A person's abilities can be measured by the strength/abilites of his defeated enemies. EG, could Wolverine defeat the Nuclear Man? No, but Superman did. This is just further proof that Superman is greater than Wolverine.

McClane has defeated opponents that are levels above anything Riggs has faced (with the help of his side-kick, to boot), ergo McClane is that much more badass.

Originally posted by Robtard
It certainly does not, you're crying "bullshit" becuase it doesn't favor yuor boy Riggs. A person's abilities can be measured by the strength/abilites of his defeated enemies. EG, could Wolverine defeat the Nuclear Man? No, but Superman did. This is just further proof that Superman is greater than Wolverine.

McClane has defeated opponents that are levels above anything Riggs has faced (with the help of his side-kick, to boot), ergo McClane is that much more badass.

Who has McClaine defeated ONE ON ONE who is greater than anyone Riggs has faced? NO ONE. And McClaine almost always help and/or support from others.

Riggs is superior H2H. WAY superior.

A better shot. He is shown shooting from the hip. And dont make me break out the smily face target.

Has been shown taking more punishment. Family of .44's in his back.

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane has defeated opponents that are levels above anything Riggs has faced (with the help of his side-kick, to boot), ergo McClane is that much more badass.

Riggs wins 7/10, imo. Riggs' training highly surpasses McClane's, and Riggs has fought enemies much stronger and better trained than those McClane has fought.

The pucnches that Riggs give out are quick and whipping compared to McClaine's awesome shots.

After all this discussion last night, I nostalgically watched 'Last Action Hero'...! An excellent 'guilty pleasure' movie.
Directed by McTiernan, scored by Michael Kamen it is related heavily to both film's genre.

The movie logic factor of McClane's luck etc is explained well in that.
Things of note:

When the kid mentions Karl's comeback at the end of Die Hard, notice Kamen's score play some of the DH score...

The two officers blown up at Frank's house at the beginning...
One of them looks like Danny Glover and hits us with the immortal "Damn....I was two days from retirement" as the LW sax theme plays out...

Like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard, its that LA thing too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're talking out of your ass. I openly admitted I am more of a McClaine fan than a Riggs fan, try and keep up, and stop accusing me of being a fanboy.

Who has McClaine defeated ONE ON ONE who is greater than anyone Riggs has faced? NO ONE. And McClaine almost always help and/or support from others.

Riggs is superior H2H. WAY superior.

A better shot. He is shown shooting from the hip. And dont make me break out the smily face target.

Has been shown taking more punishment. Family of .44's in his back.

I didn't say "fanboy", I said "your boy", ie the guy you're saying would win, so calm down, Sally.

He defeated the sheer genius that was either Gruber brother and the genius that was Karl, as Sadako mentioned this earlier on. He also took out many the extremely well trained henchmen throughout the movies.

The people that help McClane do so in small increments, he doesn't have the dedicated side-kick that is Murtaugh, like Riggs does. FACT.

Superior or not, McClane's durability is borderline inhuman, no mere Riggs' punches or senseless foaming at the mouth is going to take McClane down. FACT.

McClane is an equally good shot, he shoots and the bad-guys die; they DIEHARD some may say.

Face it, if Riggs had his side-kick negro with him, he might be able to take out McClane, maybe.

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
Disagree. I think Mr. Joshua (Lethal Weapon 1) would be able to take out anyone McClane has fought, in fact, Joshua could take out McClane himself. McClane is a brawler, and he's very good at it, but both Joshua and Riggs are extremely well trained, both ex-special forces, and much quicker and agile than McClane. If Joshua can take down, McClane, then Riggs could easily do it too. The best trained person McClane has fought is the asian woman from 4.0; again, while she is very well trained, she isn't pain resistant, like Joshua is, which is a huge pro for Joshua, and in turn, Riggs, since both Joshua and Riggs have almost the exact kind of training.

Riggs wins 7/10, imo. Riggs' training highly surpasses McClane's, and Riggs has fought enemies much stronger and better trained than those McClane has fought.

Nonsense, those French mercenaries were obviously special forces trained themselves, espeically that parkour jumping around fool. He would have killed Riggs by himself, as he was far better that the Jet Li character, which both Riggs and Murthaugh barely survived a fight with.

McClane took them out all my himself.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nonsense, those French mercenaries were obviously special forces trained themselves, espeically that parkour jumping around fool. He would have killed Riggs by himself, as he was far better that the Jet Li character, which both Riggs and Murthaugh barely survived a fight with.

McClane took them out all my himself.

And once again, McClaine killed him through sheer luck.

Also, that smiley face target couldn't move or fire back.

The world is full of marksmen who had been excellent in tournament conditions yet are different in live combat situations.

If you can whup a bag well, does that mean that you could automatically knock out 1980's Tyson...?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude that guy was NOTHING compared to Jet Li's character, not as a fighter. He was more acrobatic and shit, but in a fight, Jet Li's character would own him. He dodges bullets, man.

And once again, McClaine killed him through sheer luck.

So what...? He wins. Thats just his style.

Also on your 1st point there, elusiveness in combat is essential.

Ali: "Float like a butterfly sting like a bee, cause you hands cant hit what the eyes can't see."
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Wisdom delivered by a boxer that I cite in a non pro-bout situation, granted - but the logic is sound.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude that guy was NOTHING compared to Jet Li's character, not as a fighter. He was more acrobatic and shit, but in a fight, Jet Li's character would own him. He dodges bullets, man.

And once again, McClaine killed him through sheer luck.

Dude was armed with a submachine, Jet Li would have fallen in a hail of bullets, had they faced off.

Yet McClane killed him all by himself, he didn't need Danny Glover. See?

Who himself was "way too old for this shit." back then 😛

John McClane has been killing people on screen since 1988.

The LW boys have probably long retired (certainly Glover) and
McClane is still maiming and killing today.

Today's McClane Vs Riggs on a walker frame and Murtaugh on his incontenance potty would be short work.

Hell, he might even kick Leo's ass just for the hell of it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
So what...? He wins. Thats just his style.

Also on your 1st point there, elusiveness in combat is essential.

Ali: "Float like a butterfly sting like a bee, cause you hands cant hit what the eyes can't see."
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Wisdom delivered by a boxer that I cite in a non pro-bout situation, granted - but the logic is sound.

Answer this, right here, right now. Who is the better skilled at H2H combat? Forget the luck factor, who of the two are bettter at the actual fighting?