MK vs SF characters

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. Why should that matter?

2. Tsung and Chi didn't even attack him. Shang Tsung was the only one who managed to hit him before he was taken by Onaga.

3. I was really talking about Gouki. But I think there's a certain thing that's gotta happen before Bison could take someones body.

2. He was talking about when they beat his ass in Deadly Alliance I assume.

3. His mortal shell has to die.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Because gameplay is not a reliable indication of things, especially in fighting games.

2. He was talking about when they beat his ass in Deadly Alliance I assume.

3. His mortal shell has to die.

Yeah I was talking about in DA.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
That's... generally how things work on this site, Smash. Moves that are performed in the storyline are canon. Moves that aren't are generally ignored. They're called game mechanics.

But that's ignoring their basic abilities. Cutscenes don't usually involve too much action so using ONLY those is kind of...nonsense in my opinion.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. A. Yes, since we would know what they look like outside of gameplay.

B. I brought up a feat that happened in a cut-scene.

2. ...So? In the scene, he swung his hammer slowly, ran slowly, and was picked off without being able to defend himself by the slow Onaga. Seriously, PROVE KAHN IS FAST.

3. Like he constantly does in the games right? Not to mention Gouki does similar.

1. A. But you still can't ignore the fact the character has those abiliities.

B. But you didn't explain how it was fast.

2. He didn't swing the hammer slowly. The guy was twisting around with and manage to knock away the people who got next to him. They couldn't even get near him. Only later it was Shang who managed to attack.

3. Similar but not the same. And the reason he doesn't do it in game is because the other characters' souls are protected by Raiden.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Because gameplay is not a reliable indication of things, especially in fighting games.

2. He was talking about when they beat his ass in Deadly Alliance I assume.

3. His mortal shell has to die.

1. I don't know about you but that really doesn't make any sense to me.

2. That was a clone.

3. It died like twice already, didn't it?

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. A. But you still can't ignore the fact the character has those abiliities.

B. But you didn't explain how it was fast.

2. He didn't swing the hammer slowly. The guy was twisting around with and manage to knock away the people who got next to him. They couldn't even get near him. Only later it was Shang who managed to attack.

3. Similar but not the same. And the reason he doesn't do it in game is because the other characters' souls are protected by Raiden.

B. ...Dude wtf, he out-ran a fvcking Military Jet, how did I not explain it was fast?

2. He turned around and swung his hammer. And almost everyone in MK is slow, hell, Shang Tsung is only human in terms of speed, and he was able to attack Kahn.

How's about you shut up, quit stalling, and show some proof of Khan's speed?

3. Only a few people are protected by Raiden, not to mention he won't be able to use his soul power before Gouki punches him so hard in the chest that his torso will fly off his arms, legs, and head.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. I don't know about you but that really doesn't make any sense to me.

2. That was a clone.

3. It died like twice already, didn't it?

2. True. But that was what he was talking about is all I was saying.

3. And came back both times, even after Gouki used the Shun Goku no Satsu on him.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. A. No. But we can't use them as definate indications of speed or strength either.

B. ...Dude wtf, he out-ran a fvcking Military Jet, how did I not explain it was fast?

2. He turned around and swung his hammer. And almost everyone in MK is slow, hell, Shang Tsung is only human in terms of speed, and he was able to attack Kahn.

How's about you shut up, quit stalling, and show some proof of Khan's speed?

3. Only a few people are protected by Raiden, not to mention he won't be able to use his soul power before Gouki punches him so hard in the chest that his torso will fly off his arms, legs, and head.

1. A. I know that.

B. I asked you to prove that he outran it.

2. With just a kick, that is. Besides, that's Shang Tsung, which isn't the issue here.

Also, remember, this whole thing started because you said Kahn was slow. I think it's best YOU quit stalling.

3. Really? I must have missed that Gouki was The Flash. 😆 And so what if Raiden protected a "few people"? The many people who didn't get protected still got their soul taken.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Gameplay mechanics are used to balance things in-game. In-game, Batman strikes faster than Darkseid, yet we know Darkseid is faster.

2. True. But that was what he was talking about is all I was saying.

3. And came back both times, even after Gouki used the Shun Goku no Satsu on him.

1. That's different though. In game, Batman also uses the gadgets he alos uses in other media. As far as speed and strength, that can't be determine by gameplay mechanics but whether the character actually have the ability can (unless proved otherwise).

2. Okay.

3. Gouki only used it on Bison once though. And it's yet to be explained how he got back this time.

BLANKA smashes everyone! Just take a look at the pic Lmao!!!!

Originally posted by NemeBro

And that is ignoring the fact that Kahn is fighting Gouki, who is much faster and can kill Kahn in one move.

Mortal Kombat 9 shows Kahn ripping apart Raiden, one of the gods.

I don't know.. Storyline wise, Mortal Kombat seems to operate under a different set of rules. Elder gods fighting with gods, gods fighting with humans, sorcerers with powers on par with omnipotent beings, beings that can affect dimensions losing to Johnny Cages Shadow Kick..

Street Fighter, going by storyline, comes across more as a bunch of metas duking it out.

Look at Shinnok. He attacked the Elder Gods directly, and affected dimensional barriers.. The Saurian civilization nearly died out because of the war against him, and they had to move to another world. There's no one like that in the Street Fighter-verse. or no comparable high stakes storyline..

I would think MK characters due to the killing intent and powersets. I mean they do have guys like Shao Kahn and Raiden. Isn't M. Bison like the only uber powerful guy in the SF universe. I was under the impression that even Ryu couldn't handle him alone.

I would think that SF vs. Tekken fighters would be a better matchup.

Originally posted by socool8520
I would think MK characters due to the killing intent and powersets. I mean they do have guys like Shao Kahn and Raiden. Isn't M. Bison like the only uber powerful guy in the SF universe. I was under the impression that even Ryu couldn't handle him alone.

Bison is hardly the only one...

There's guys like Gill, Seth, Gouki and all his incarnations, Gouken, Gen, Evil Ryu, ect, ect...

I think their universes are even for the most part. When you start moving up the tiers from Ryu and up, that's when SF will pull out the win.

I mean, even Chun Li can create canyons with her Kiko Sho. Sagat shoots out mountain sized blasts of chi. Ryu blows up a giant BLEECE machine, which in turn blows up most of S.I.N's base. Seth creates mini gravity wells. Sakura and Ryu's normal HDKs can push back giant explosions. Gief tanks tornadoes. This is pretty great material coming from characters who wouldn't even rank in the top 10 most powerful in their world.

Originally posted by cdtm
Mortal Kombat 9 shows Kahn ripping apart Raiden, one of the gods.

I don't know.. Storyline wise, Mortal Kombat seems to operate under a different set of rules. Elder gods fighting with gods, gods fighting with humans, sorcerers with powers on par with omnipotent beings, beings that can affect dimensions losing to Johnny Cages Shadow Kick..

Street Fighter, going by storyline, comes across more as a bunch of metas duking it out.

Look at Shinnok. He attacked the Elder Gods directly, and affected dimensional barriers.. The Saurian civilization nearly died out because of the war against him, and they had to move to another world. There's no one like that in the Street Fighter-verse. or no comparable high stakes storyline..

Gods are just titles and Gods lose to mortals all of the time in fiction. Like in Mortal Kombat.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
MK has the titles and the violence, but it doesn't mean they mower powerful.

The thing is, the Elder Gods have the feats too.

According to Mortal Kombat mythology, the Elder Gods took on the One Being that comprised all of reality, and created Kamidogu that they used to shatter its body, than used its remains to create the realms.

This same One Being acted through Onaga and Shao Kahn.

And those same Elder Gods used Scorpian as their champion, to destroy Onaga,

The entire plot of Mortal Kombat: Armageddon is based on the concept of the Mortal Kombat warriors becoming so powerful, they'd threaten all the realms, too..

Basically, Mortal Kombat works on high stakes storylines.. Either an entire realm gets laid waste, or all the realms get threatened, or the Elder Gods that defeated the One Being get threatened..

Originally posted by cdtm
And those same Elder Gods used Scorpian as their champion, to destroy Onaga

Top 10 SFs, right now, accordin to the story.

1. Shitgrid

(In no known order)

2. Akuma
3. Gouken
4. Oro
5. Gill
6. Bison

(Back in order)

7. Rose
8. Dhalsim
9. Gen
10. Ryu/Juri/Urien/Seth/Sagat

Includin alternate versions of the same characters...

1. Shitgrid

(In no known order)

2. Oni
3. Shin Akuma (obviously weaker than Oni)
4. Akuma (obviously weaker than Shin)
5. Shin Bison
6. Shin Evil Ryu
7. Gouken
8. Oro
9. Gill

(Back in order)

10. Bison IV

Rose > Ryu?

Yeah. She's much stronger than Ryu, it's not even close. She's even stronger than Alpha Bison. She killed'im...on her own.

Rose > Alpha Bison >>> Bison II >>>>>>>>>> Ryu.