MK vs SF characters

Originally posted by cdtm
Energy of the stars, and faster than light? I don't remember anything about stars or her speed from Alpha 3 Max, although all of that other stuff sounds about right.. Rose couldn't read her future, and Ingrid knew all about Rose and Ryu, she cured dark Ryu just by fighting him, went to the future.. I remember Bison was using a machine to power himself up with psycho power, too, yet she beat him pretty easily...

She is stated to wield Star/Light Energy. This can be seen, flying off of her limbs, in the game. She is also, officialy, called the Sun Goddess.

She flies around the universe, traverses dimensions, and states that she, herself, is from outer space, yet she makes it to all locations in very reasonable amounts of time. She is indeed FTL. Alpha 3 Max wasn't the only game she was in. CFJ is also canon to Ingrid and is the game responsible for her being an official character under the SF franchise.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Indeed, SF is what cool people talk about.

Correction: SF is cool for people to talk about.

Originally posted by JustFrame
Being an elighten Monk doesn't put him on a level that pushes him above Ryu. Just because he's spiritually on a higher place then Ryu per say, does not mean that he's a more formidable fighter, otherwise why wasn't Dictator looking for Sim's body to take over, or that the only one to give Gouki his dream match is basically Ryu.

Okay, I see what you are sayin and I agree. Ryu is a warrior and Dhalsim is a religious monk. My point is, that if Ryu fought Dhalsim, in a fight, Ryu would lose.

Originally posted by JustFrame
Dhalsim is a fighter, however he isn't a fighter looking to become more powerful in the same mannerism that we are seeing Ryu taking a step towards.

Agreed. But how do we know that Ryu's case was not Dhalsim's same case, when Sim was young like Ryu?

Originally posted by JustFrame
Just simply being enlightened and having the capability to be able to sense evil prior to others does not put him on a fighter level that all of a sudden pushes him above someone like Ryu.

That wasn't my point. The gist of what I was sayin, is that Dhalsim is older, wiser and has a better understandin of the human spirit. Dhalsim is beyond the point of strivin to become a better fighter. His life goals have been achieved. Unlike Ryu, who is still in the fray.

Originally posted by JustFrame
SnH Ryu is basically a Ryu who has given into SnH completely. Their is little to no restrictions here. Within SnH Ryu's ending for a "what if" he would've been powerful enough have killed and beaten Gouki, which is shown in his what if ending had he'd gone Satsui-No-Hadou Ryu. Watch that ending again, it's not regular Gouki, but Shin Gouki who confronts Satsui-No-Hadou Ryu and loses. Again, Gouki is only holding back against norm. Ryu in Alpha is because Gouki wants him to unleash his full potential (Meaning SnH) then only then will he have the true fight that he wants in which he can display his full capability.

I already know all of this. What we seem to skip over is everything that happened before that ending. At the start of Evil Ryu's story, he wasn't completely enveloped in the power of the SNH. He 1st confronted Sagat, and Shin Bison. He was not driven to give in completely until he faced Shin Akuma. Evil Ryu's story didn't start with'im instantly above S.Akuma. Hell, Evil Ryu probably couldn't even beat Sagat at the start of his story. Sagat didn't even put his heart in to his battle with Evil Ryu and still managed to walk away alive. That's what I'm gettin at here.

Originally posted by JustFrame
SnH Ryu during Alpha would've been very capable of fighting Shin Gouki at this time, because he would've been rivaled him. The A3 What if Storyline showcases this, and displays how powerful SnH Ryu would've been at that time period.

Yes, a Total Evil Ryu at that time would match S.Akuma, at that time as well. But when they say he found a power to replace the SNH, I think they meant normal Ryu has surpassed the power of the SNH, Ryu canonly used. Not the "what if" Ryu who completely gives in. When, in canon, Ryu uses the SNH (not give in to the SNH, totally), I would put him at Normal Akuma's level. Not beyond that.

Originally posted by JustFrame

SFIII Ryu is indeed powerful enough at this point to be equal to his SnH version who would've been capable of defeating an Alpha Gouki at that point and time. Obviously of course, Gouki during SFIII has now surpassed this level.

As sated above, I simply cannot agree with that. I can agree with Ryu, in SFIII, being above Normal Alpha Akuma, but not being above Alpha S.Akuma.

Originally posted by JustFrame
So the idea and though of a SFIII Ryu being capable of defeating Alpha Dictator prior to his Super Elite Mode Alpha 3 version is very possible if his what if storyline shows him even overthrowing a Shin Gouki.

Again, I can't agree with this. The story clearly depicts Ryu (of SFII) needin the help of 4 others to beat SFII Bison. Ryu, just 5 or 6 years later, would not have the power to defeat a Bison twice as powerful (Alpha Bison).

Originally posted by JustFrame
Again, its not like the tier placements that Vasili made for putting Ryu above the characters you mentioned doesn't make sense, when he and a few others have basically done the most homework and the most Capcom Japanese Translations of the Canon Guide/interviews/Game Dialogues to English.

It makes sense, just not correct sense. Their tiers have characters set in all over the place. They have nearly 10 tiers. No way is their that many. 90% of the SF cast across all games can be placed in the same tier. As mush as I respect those guys and are thankful for their inputs, just cuz Yun has the slight edge over Yang, doesn't mean they should be on 2 completely different levels. Same for Sakura and Karin. Theses characters should not be on different tiers. And just cuz we don't have alotta info on 1 character doesn't mean they should instantly be low tier. They make all of these mistakes and that's why I can't take it seriously, as well put together as it is.

Originally posted by JustFrame
I'm not saying they are right all the time (The Gouken was clone idea was absurd imo by Vasili), however Ryu being above Rose, Gen, and Dhalsim, I can very easily agree with that.

My logic is brought to reality by the culmination of plot events and character info. Based on this, I can not agree.

Originally posted by JustFrame
Concerning Oni

None of the text you provided over turns the canon and official information I have presented. Oni is stated to be above Akuma, by Capcom, as I have shown. Your attempt to counter this is based solely on semantics and how you feel. Your theories are intriguing, but they are still theories, nonetheless. lol You can look at the names and meanings of their Ultras and the Ultras themselves and tell Oni far superior.

I mean seriously, the man can now fly and preform midair demons. Shin Akuma's intro has him crashin into the stage from the sky. Oni is seen comin down in a f**kin Magneto force field.

Shin Akuma is Akuma wieldin the maximum amount of SNH he can control; the max amount of SNH any human can possibly control.

Oni is a Akuma, transformed into a demon, now with no limits to the amount of SNH he can dish out. he is literally a being made out of SNH, he is the embodiment SNH.

Shin Akuma has nothin on this.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Correction: SF is cool for people to talk about.

That's not actually a correction, it's an addition. SF is what cool people talk about 'And' is cool for people to talk about.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
Ingrid's about the only character to stand a chance.

Originally posted by No End N Site
That's not actually a correction, it's an addition. SF is what cool people talk about 'And' is cool for people to talk about.

Nope. It was a correction, like I said. 🙂

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Nope. It was a correction, like I said. 🙂

Hey man...don't hate.

Hey, I'm a cool guy.

😎

So I don't hate.

You're ok you little troll. 😛

i think shao khan takes this becouse he cant be defeated,he always finds a way to comeback in he's killer body.

Originally posted by samirerre
i think shao khan takes this becouse he cant be defeated,he always finds a way to comeback in he's killer body.

Originally posted by samirerre
i think shao khan takes this becouse he cant be defeated,he always finds a way to comeback in he's killer body.

Can't be defeated? even though he has been?

Shin Gouki being stronger then Oni is base off Ryu's SFA2 ending, basically Gouki destoryes a volcanic island while causing it to erupt by just punching the ground. while Oni jumps in the air and chops a already ready to erupt volcano making it expolded. well that's the bases of the reason anyways.

Originally posted by unrealman
Shin Gouki being stronger then Oni is base off Ryu's SFA2 ending, basically Gouki destoryes a volcanic island while causing it to erupt by just punching the ground. while Oni jumps in the air and chops a already ready to erupt volcano making it expolded. well that's the bases of the reason anyways.

Yes, and yet Oni survived the ensuing lava bath unscathed. He has flight capabilities now as well. Shin Akuma does not boast these capabilities.

I'll give him the flight thing. Maybe that's a new ability. It wouldn't make sense for him not to have it in SF3. All that retconning and adding new abilities leads to confusion for average fans who just casually play the game.

After playing MK9 story mode and watching the endings, I still can't see how people still believe some SF characters would stand any sort of chance against MK characters.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lui Kang vs Ryu = ryu

Liu Kang:

Protector of Earthrealm
3 time Champion of Mortal Kombat (MK1, MK2, MK4)
Defeated Raiden in two realities becoming a god in both occasions of:
1.Fire
2.Thunder

Defeated Shang Tsung Twice
Defeated SHAO KAHN <<<<<<<<<<

Liu Kang takes this in seconds. Even in his human form.

lol haters gonna hate,i will just middle finger to you lol

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