I think Rot Bane w/ orbalisks because, frankly, I haven't seen anything from Yoda that convinces me he can get through the orbalisks. Yoda is powerful in the force, but what is a force push going to do to unbreakable orbalisks. Yoda doesn't use force lightning, which is the orbalisks weakness, and, as I said before, doesn't have the ability to get through them.
Darth Bane, on the other hand, is also exceptional in the force. He took on numerous jedi at once, destroyed all of Kaan's brotherhood, and pretty much killed anyone who stood up to him. He is also good with a lightsaber. Therefore:
1. Bane (because of orbalisks, i.e: yoda is a better lightsaber duelist but won't be able to penetrate orbalisks)
2. Bane
3. Bane
Except that Bane didn't destroy Kaan's Brotherhood single-handedly. And Yoda managed to drive Count Dooku into retreat on Vjun -- a planet steeped in the dark side of the Force and Confederacy stronghold -- all the while holding back and being distracted by Dooku endangering the lives of civilians.
The same Count Dooku who is considered by multiple sources to be a legendary swordsman even amongst Jedi, one of the greatest and most powerful Jedi Masters in the Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history, and "an even greater Lord of the Sith."
Not to mention that he dueled Darth Sidious to a stalemate; the same Sidious who is also regarded by multiple sources (Dark Side Sourcebook, the Complete Visual Dictionary, and the Complete Encyclopedia) as being more powerful than Bane.
Originally posted by Lethal Rogue
You haven't said any facts that say how Yoda can beat Bane. Saying that he could fight Dooku to a stalemate and Bane PROBABLY couldn't just doesn't work.
I said he dueled Sidious to a stalemate. The same Sidious who is established to be more powerful than Bane. Dooku? He kicked Dooku's ass and forced the Count to flee on a planet steeped in the dark side of the Force and a Confederacy stronghold.
Do you copy?
And also, yeah, Bane actually did pretty much destroy Kaan's brotherhood single-handedly, even though I didn't say that in my post.
No, he didn't. The Thought Bomb did. Without their involvement in the ritual, Bane couldn't have summoned the Thought Bomb. Ergo, he didn't do shit.
Originally posted by Lethal Rogue
First of all, Yoda lost to Sidious.
The battle ended in a stalemate. In fact, if you want to get absolutely technical, Yoda scored the final blow.
It has been established that Sidious is stronger than Yoda.
He becomes more powerful than Yoda; at the time of Revenge of the Sith? Not really.
Second, Bane convinced Kaan to use the thought bomb. He also helped destroy the brotherhood by killing some sith personally.
That's a dumb bullshit argument. I don't deny that he personally killed some members of the Brotherhood, but your claim is that he personally defeated all of them, as if it's some accolade.
It isn't.
The fact remains that he did not kill the Brotherhood due to his own power.
Originally posted by Lethal RogueKnowing you can't win a particular fight isn't an automatic translation of "Sidious>Yoda." Sidious had the upper hand due to environment, change that and the outcome changes with it. And you may not have said Bane destroyed the Brotherhood personally, but your implication was clear. Saying "Darth Bane... destroyed all of Kaan's brotherhood" without specification of your intention is indicative of saying it was Bane who did it personally. Specifics matter.
Yoda RAN from Sidious knowing he couldn't win. Also, I never said Bane PERSONALLY destroyed the brotherhood. I was just listing his feats, and one was wiping out the brotherhood, so get over it. Denying that he got rid of them is just stubborn of you, which you just so happen to be.
And by the by, while Bane may have orchestrated the Brotherhood's destruction, he did it through lies, manipulation and subterfuge. While that's impressive it's not a combat feat, and means nothing in a duel.
Actually Sidious may have been a bit stronger than Yoda during their duel. The Revenge of the Sith: Visual dictionary says that Yoda realizes he was overmatched.
Though that does not mean Bane can beat Yoda. Yoda and Sidious were still near equals. Yoda has demonstrated more control of the force than Bane. Like when he destroyed four landing platforms, that held numerous vehicles and armies of droids, by using the force to slam them into each other. Yoda's agility is also more impressive than Bane's. Like when he dodged several senate pods coming at him at great speeds.
Yoda has demonstrated more control of the force than Bane. Like when he destroyed four landing platforms, that held numerous vehicles and armies of droids, by using the force to slam them into each other.
Bane has manipulated the force on a sub-atomic level and disintergrated metal. That is a much greater show of control then slamming 4 things together.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Bane has manipulated the force on a sub-atomic level and disintergrated metal. That is a much greater show of control then slamming 4 things together.
You make it sound as if he slammed 4 pieces of bread together. The landing crafts were maybe over 1000 tons, and that is not including all the armada in it. Yoda has also crushed part of a mountain on an army of droids, and lifted tons of rock that threatened Luminara and Barriss offee, and bend back a lightning attack from the most powerful sith in history.