Originally posted by FaunusNo it was four. He lifted one off the ground, and slammed it into one in the air. Then he slammed two into each other that were already in the air.
Two ships, not four.
And just so we're clear, the Revenge of the Sith novelization alludes to and picks off after the events that transpired in Labyrinth of Evil, not the CWC. The former doesn't even have Yoda taking part in the Battle of Coruscant, so the canonical status of the scene you mentioned is up for debate.I may be wrong because it has been a long time since i read Labyrinth, but i don't see how Yoda fighting in that battle contradicts the book. The only contradiction is Windu's role at the beggining of the battle. Labyrinth may work more accurate with the ROTS novel, but not necessarily the movie.
I repeat: I may be wrong.
Yoda's agility is more impressive than pretty much everyone's. It's like saying Yoda's shorter; duh, and it doesn't really matter.Was that suppose to throw my arguement out the window? That is kinda like me saying " well duh Yoda can repel lightning.
Are you trying to say i shouldn't use that in an arguement?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66****.
No it was four. He lifted one off the ground, and slammed it into one in the air. Then he slammed two into each other that were already in the air.I may be wrong because it has been a long time since i read Labyrinth, but i don't see how Yoda fighting in that battle contradicts the book. The only contradiction is Windu's role at the beggining of the battle. Labyrinth may work more accurate with the ROTS novel, but not necessarily the movie.
I repeat: I may be wrong.
Was that suppose to throw my arguement out the window? That is kinda like me saying " well duh Yoda can repel lightning.
Are you trying to say i shouldn't use that in an arguement?
Ignore that post entirely until I get back to you on the Labyrinth of Evil matter. You're correct on the number of ships he crashed, and on the last bit. I'm officially embarassed.
Originally posted by Who's Nebaris?
Anyways, Bane has demonstrated the ability to:1. Naturally resist the mind powers of Lord Kaan, the leader of the Brotherhood of Darkness who was notably powerful as well as possessing a talent for the branch of the Force, to such an extent that it had "no more effect than a rusted knife scraping against the hide plates of a Halurian ice-boar."
2. Break through Quordis' force shield, leader of the Sith Academy, with such ease that it was described as having been wiped away "as if it hadn't even been there."
3. Spread Force lightning across an entire room that was capable of housing hundreds of students with a single release of energy, after not even having learnt technique an hour beforehand.
You keep lying about the room it was done in, kiddo.
4. Use the Force on the sub-atomic level.
6. Move faster than the eye[s of trained and powerful Force Users] could see.
7. Absorb a planetary level of energy, contain it and protect himself internally from it, and redirect it across the diameter of an entire planet.
Among a ridiculous number of other things.It's also worth noting that even by Ro2, he's still only received the level of training time a Jedi padawan would possess, and taking that into account coupled with the facts that he's displayed an extremely prodigious learning rate and that the darkside naturally grants its users a quick path to power, it's pretty clear that his rate of growth between each feat and his current peak would be abnormally larger than for most (possible exceptions being Darth Zannah and Exar Kun).
Then of course there's the fact that he possesses the orbalisk armour, which increases his effectiveness as a combatant tenfold (what with the near infallible protection provided, the unique manner he fights using it, the adrenaline it provides (which would give him enhancements in strength, speed, and reflexes) the enhancements to his reserves of darkside energies, and the enhanced healing factor).
You could also take into account his knowledge of the darkside which includes all of Revan's knowledge, all that he could learn from Sadow's entire knowledge base in ten years (it's again worth noting his abnormal learning rate and the fact that he learnt everything Revan had ever known in a matter of weeks), as well as the fact that Yoda was never depicted as a scholar (wise leader of the Jedi Order =/= scholar) and has never demonstrated an exceptional amount of knowledge in the Force.
And lastly, these ridiculous Sidious measured ABC arguments fail each time because there is not a single source that conclusively states that RotS Sidious was the most effective combatant there had ever been up until his time. Not a single one.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Maybe not, but that's no reason to completely dismiss valid feats.
The feats would be "valid" if anything represented would contribute to finding the winner of a hypothetical fight between Yoda and Bane. Does any of that feats fit that requirement.
NO.
Why not?
a) Resisting some mind-control is not going to help Bane, unless somebody attacks him with some mind-control. Do you expect Yoda to force-trick Bane to death?
b) Any mentioning of other force user would require to put their power in context with that of Yoda. Who cares if Bane overwhelmed the force defence of Quordis or resisted Kaan if his opponent happens to be one of the if not the most powerful Jedi in galactic history up to the point of RotS?
c) Using the force on a sub-atomic level might help if attempting to force push Nebaris brain anywhere. Otherwise being able to do something like that is of no use in a versus fight, unless said fight is decided via a game of "Toss the Nucleus". I'm not seeing it happen.
d) Anything archieved via rituals and while using the power of other individuals (Force Bomb, Force Storm on Ruusan) can't be used for a versus fight.
And finally:
e) This is a VERSUS fight and not "Feat Wars". If it was the latter, Yoda would wipe Bane from existance without difficulty, considering the fact that his list of combat feats exceeds that of Bane by far. Not that it will make any difference, because Yoda is simply faster, better in technical ability and more powerful than Bane. Period. The Sith Lord is going down here.
Originally posted by Lethal Rogue
And Gideon, for the last time, it has been printed on paper that Yoda was overmatched and knew he couldn't win.
It would help if you put that into proper context.
At the end of his duel with Sidious, Yoda was disarmed and thrown from a great height. While being a Jedi of immense power, his options were limited relative to Sidious in terms of offensive capability; Sidious sure as hell wasn't keen on carrying on the duel. So, in that situation, Yoda was "overmatched." He was unarmed, exhausted, and fighting in enemy territory; furthermore, he came to the realization that fighting Sidious blade-to-blade was still furthering the agenda of the Sith. To quote Stover: "by fighting at all, the Jedi lost."
That does not mean that the Emperor was more powerful than Yoda. No source has indicated as much.