Rot Bane vs Rots Yoda

Started by Darth Exodus12 pages
Isn't Yoda said to be the greatest foe the darkness had ever faced ? And doesn't this make him win anyhow ?

Unless Bane falls to a lightsider in book 3, no.

EDIT: Nevermind.

rots sidious>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any version of bane

yoda stalemated sidious

also at the end of ROT bane lost his orbalisks so yoda would cream him

You people hurt my brain.

Let's also establish this subatomic manipulation thing is pretty clearly usage for a Holocron? And given Yoda created one himself...

It's "pretty clearly" not.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Like when he destroyed four landing platforms, that held numerous vehicles and armies of droids, by using the force to slam them into each other.
Two ships, not four.

And just so we're clear, the Revenge of the Sith novelization alludes to and picks off after the events that transpired in Labyrinth of Evil, not the CWC. The former doesn't even have Yoda taking part in the Battle of Coruscant, so the canonical status of the scene you mentioned is up for debate.

Yoda's agility is also more impressive than Bane's
Yoda's agility is more impressive than pretty much everyone's. It's like saying Yoda's shorter; duh, and it doesn't really matter.

Not to mention, he does struggle with basic telekinesis in Attack of the Clones. Granted it happened directly after a battle situation but it's quite clearly the movie's way at establishing him (and the Jedi and Sith of that era in general) as low tier street level combatants.

How can Yoda get past the orbalisks without lightning though? This is why he loses.
And Gideon, for the last time, it has been printed on paper that Yoda was overmatched and knew he couldn't win.

Originally posted by Lethal Rogue
How can Yoda get past the orbalisks without lightning though? This is why he loses.
And Gideon, for the last time, it has been printed on paper that Yoda was overmatched and knew he couldn't win.

Please show this source. Are you talking about the fight with Sidious, because I can point you to the original draft stating Yoda disarms Sidious.

the Rots visual dictionary

Anyways, Bane has demonstrated the ability to:

1. Naturally resist the mind powers of Lord Kaan, the leader of the Brotherhood of Darkness who was notably powerful as well as possessing a talent for the branch of the Force, to such an extent that it had "no more effect than a rusted knife scraping against the hide plates of a Halurian ice-boar."

2. Break through Quordis' force shield, leader of the Sith Academy, with such ease that it was described as having been wiped away "as if it hadn't even been there."

3. Spread Force lightning across an entire room that was capable of housing hundreds of students with a single release of energy, after not even having learnt technique an hour beforehand.

4. Use the Force on the sub-atomic level.

5. Use the Force on the sub-atomic level.

6. Move faster than the eye[s of trained and powerful Force Users] could see.

7. Absorb a planetary level of energy, contain it and protect himself internally from it, and redirect it across the diameter of an entire planet.

Among a ridiculous number of other things.

It's also worth noting that even by Ro2, he's still only received the level of training time a Jedi padawan would possess, and taking that into account coupled with the facts that he's displayed an extremely prodigious learning rate and that the darkside naturally grants its users a quick path to power, it's pretty clear that his rate of growth between each feat and his current peak would be abnormally larger than for most (possible exceptions being Darth Zannah and Exar Kun).

Then of course there's the fact that he possesses the orbalisk armour, which increases his effectiveness as a combatant tenfold (what with the near infallible protection provided, the unique manner he fights using it, the adrenaline it provides (which would give him enhancements in strength, speed, and reflexes) the enhancements to his reserves of darkside energies, and the enhanced healing factor).

You could also take into account his knowledge of the darkside which includes all of Revan's knowledge, all that he could learn from Sadow's entire knowledge base in ten years (it's again worth noting his abnormal learning rate and the fact that he learnt everything Revan had ever known in a matter of weeks), as well as the fact that Yoda was never depicted as a scholar (wise leader of the Jedi Order =/= scholar) and has never demonstrated an exceptional amount of knowledge in the Force.

And lastly, these ridiculous Sidious measured ABC arguments fail each time because there is not a single source that conclusively states that RotS Sidious was the most effective combatant there had ever been up until his time. Not a single one.

Bane wins.

Who's Bane?

Good points. Exactly what I'm trying to say.

And Nebaris has returned, and left.

Originally posted by Who's Nebaris?
Not to mention, he does struggle with basic telekinesis in Attack of the Clones. Granted it happened directly after a battle situation but it's quite clearly the movie's way at establishing him (and the Jedi and Sith of that era in general) as low tier street level combatants.

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Just... Wow.

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Sorry. I couldn't control myself.

George Lucas (instant top tier canon) disagrees with you; He calls the PT the 'Prime of the Jedi.'

For the purpose of supporting his general versatility, he was capable of revealing the presences of about eight Umbaaran Shadow Guards (Force Users who's entire level of training had revolved around concealing themselves with the Force) with a single wave of intangible dark side energy, seeing "far into the future" at will, resisting most of the effects of one of the most powerful poisons in the Galaxy after it had already been in his system and built up to maximum potency, and displays some pretty awesome sh1t without any level of training whatsoever. Darth Zannah, the person who could protect herself and her immediate area from the BoD's Force Storm ritual, use the Force to kill two war driven Jedi Knights, among other things, all as an untrained eight year old girl, is stated to possess an instinctive link to the darkside that only "rivals" Bane's.

Nobody said they were low tier with respect to any other era of Jedi or Sith. Just that they were, in general, low tier street level combatants. Going out of her way (and all the way from Thailand!) to include "of that era" doesn't mean that she was necessarily using other eras as comparisons.

And "street levels" hardly a relative term anyway.