Kas'im vs galen marek

Originally posted by Faunus

1.) Obi-Wan vs. Anakin (RotS): The Force-push contest ended with both of them being hurled at least a dozen meters away from the focal point of the energy. They are surrounded by the corpses of slaughtered Separatist leaders and the remains of dismantled droids. No noted collateral damage.

Originally posted by Faunus

2.) Raynar Thul vs. Luke (DN: TSW): Raynar Thul attacks Luke with the combined Force-potential of every Force-sensitive member of an entire colony. Luke blocks it. They are surrounded by a ten meter-high pile of Killik corpses and destroyed droids, as well as standing "Bugcruncher" droids. No noted collateral damage.

Originally posted by Faunus

3.) Asajj Ventress vs. Anakin (CWC): Ventress attempts to Force-push Skywalker away while he is charging up the stairs at her; he simply runs through the attack, with the only effect being that his shirt is torn into tatters. No noted collateral damage.

Originally posted by Faunus

I could list at least a dozen instances where the attack isn't defended against and there is still no collateral damage, which would indicate that the attack is directed solely at the target.

At the moment I can't find any other than Bane's Waves against Kas'im and the Umbarans, but it makes sense (to me) that if an attack would affect an area larger than the target's body the only protection would be directly in front of the Victim. Jedi of the Ruusan era (and presumably the PT, too) used 'Force bubbles' as defense- Farfalla's attempt to defend Raskta is probably the best example. The very nature of the defense precludes the ability to protect their surroundings.

What if during the duel, Starkiller/Galen Marek hit him with Force Repulse? Is that power more devasting than a FW? Although Kas'im was the better lightsaber artist, Starkiller/Galen Marek would defeat him. Look at the Force users he [Starkiller/Galen Marek] defeated: Kota, Peragus, Shak Ti, Marris Brood and Vader. Vader is by far more powerful than Kas'im and Starkiller/Galen Marek tooled him with the Force and lightsaber.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
[B Vader is by far more powerful than Kas'im and Starkiller/Galen Marek tooled him with the Force and lightsaber. [/B]

Wrong. Vader is not by far more powerful, in fact he might not even be more powerful in the first place. Kas'im as completed master every possible move and sequence of every form except for Vapaad (since it wasn't invented yet).

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Wrong. Vader is not by far more powerful, in fact he might not even be more powerful in the first place. Kas'im as completed master every possible move and sequence of every form except for Vapaad (since it wasn't invented yet).

Force-wise, Vader will defeat Kas'im. So would Galen. Sabers though, I'd give Kas'im the win against either of them.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Actually he is right. Vader is far more powerful than Kas'im.

How? What is your proof that Vader is FAR more powerful than Kas'im?

When was the last time kasim choked someone millions of lightyears away? When was the last time he destroyed a massive barrier with one force move? When was the last time he ragdolled a jedi knight like a pitbull attacking its victims?

When was the last time kasim stopped a jedi that tore the command module of a space station apart with relative ease? When was the last time he tore massive pillars and used it as weapons?

You an idiot if you think vader isn't stronger than kasim in the force, seriously.

gotta agree with wolvie here. vader has much more impressive feats then kas'im does lightsaber wise.

The only exhibitions of Kas'im's Force mastery include busting open a door:

He didn't bother to knock on Lord Qordis's door; he simply used the Force to burst apart the lock, then kicked it open. Unfortunately, the element of surprise he'd been hoping for had been lost.

and surviving a blast long enough to get hit by a temple.

Not enough to make an argument of equivalency with one of the most powerful Telikineticists of the Saga.

Vader is bomb with the Force. Nothing Kas'im has goes anywhere near bomb.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
gotta agree with wolvie here. vader has much more impressive feats then kas'im does lightsaber wise.

meant to say force wise.

boooooo!

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Wrong. Vader is not by far more powerful, in fact he might not even be more powerful in the first place. Kas'im as completed master every possible move and sequence of every form except for Vapaad (since it wasn't invented yet).

And we saw the effect of that on Bane, didn't we? Dueling skills are shit against Vader's raw mastery of the force.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Force-wise, Vader will defeat Kas'im. So would Galen. Sabers though, I'd give Kas'im the win against either of them.

QFT. Kas'im himself said he wasn't very strong in the force compared to people like Kaan and Bane. Since Bane > Kaan, then Kas'im must be pretty far down the scale.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
How? What is your proof that Vader is FAR more powerful than Kas'im?

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
When was the last time kasim choked someone millions of lightyears away? When was the last time he destroyed a massive barrier with one force move? When was the last time he ragdolled a jedi knight like a pitbull attacking its victims?

When was the last time kasim stopped a jedi that tore the command module of a space station apart with relative ease? When was the last time he tore massive pillars and used it as weapons?

You an idiot if you think vader isn't stronger than kasim in the force, seriously.

These are all force feats.

I admit that Vader is stronger in the force. I am just saying that Kas'im's superior lightsaber skills would at least be enough to make this a close fight.

If you would actually read my post instead of calling me an idiot, you would realize that.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
These are all force feats.

I admit that Vader is stronger in the force. I am just saying that Kas'im's superior lightsaber skills would at least be enough to make this a close fight.

If you would actually read my post instead of calling me an idiot, you would realize that.

You said power though.

It wouldn't be close when Vader would rag doll his ass the same way he did Kota. Kasi'm would win a saber duel, but Vader can hold up long enough. He did contend with Maul in a saber duel, and even gained the upperhand until Maul used Jar kai (however you spell it) against him.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
These are all force feats.

I admit that Vader is stronger in the force. I am just saying that Kas'im's superior lightsaber skills would at least be enough to make this a close fight.

If you would actually read my post instead of calling me an idiot, you would realize that.

And you said "power", not saber skillz.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Being a lightsaber master doesn't mean shit in especially when a force titan unleashes massive telekinatical energy to whoop your ass.

And you said "power", not saber skillz.

Palpatine was a force titan and Mace Windu was a lightsaber master. Apparently it DOES mean shit.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Palpatine was a force titan and Mace Windu was a lightsaber master. Apparently it DOES mean shit.

Sidious was the better swordsman, and was forcing Windu back. Windu only achieved victory through Vaapad, which matched Sidious' own speed.

BTW, Sidious decided to use the force only when he was defeated.