Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Kas'im has shown to be able to block force attacks of considerable power.2. Kas'im isn't a wimp in the force. Sure Vader is more powerful, but Kas'im himself is more than capable of using it too.
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And no, Bane didn't "tool" Kas'im. Kas'im managed to block it, it's just that by chance they were in a temple, so the temple came crashing down on him. Had they been on open ground, Kas'im wouldn't have been injured or killed.
If you arent being sarcastic, nothing can excuse that man. Kas'im would more than likely have been flung far away or off a cliff, and then he would still have hit something, oh, I dont know, somehting called the GROUND. That alone would break a few (bunch) of bones, leaving him incapable to fight. I think it even said that Bane was just having fun against Kas'im, going so far as to say that Kas'im knew he was clearly outmatched.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179So are you admitting to be actually stupid but your upset that i am outright telling it to you in your face? Whats the matter? Can't handle the truth?
And yet you say kasim MIGHT win, now your contradiction yourself making you look even less credible.
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You really don't realize how ridiculous you are acting, do you?
I said that you shouldn't call someone fat (the following were put in caps, but apparently that didn't make you notice it) especially when the person isn't actually fat. In other words, you shouldn't bash someone for being an idiot especially when that person (me) isn't really an idiot. How do you fail to read my posts? It's really ridiculous.
I said that Kas'im might win, but not necessarily. There is no contradiction. One may win and yet still not necessarily win.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179Yeah, he could barely block the attack for your information and vaders command of the force as of TFU surpasses that of bane as of POD.
Prove it.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179Kasim may throw up a shield but whats to say that vaders powerful attacks and sheer rage isn't going to smash through any defences kasim put up?(Bane did the same thing to qoordis).
Yeah and the only thing kasim has ever done with the force(at least to what i recall) is barely throw up a shield to block a force attack.
And how is kasim going to close the gap if vader unleashes an attack that kasim cannot defend against?
What's to say that Vader's powerful attacks and sheer rage is? You have no proof that it can.
You misread PoD. By "barely" you mean that Kas'im was surprised and only got to throwing the shield up at the last possible instant. Not that he couldn't stop it, he just got surprised. And yet despite being rushed to throw it up and only doing it at the last possible instant, he still blocked an attack that could pulverise his body (have any of Vader's attacks done that to anyone?) and knock down a temple.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
And how is kasim going to close the gap if vader unleashes an attack that kasim cannot defend against?Hell even if he does close the gap, he isn't going to be owning vader in sabers because he is fighting a style that has elements of the majority of light saber forms and that gives vader a slight advantage and would allow vader to hold his own until theres an opportunity to unleash massive TK attacks to overwhelm kasim.
You have seen what vader is capable off during a saber duel, he, durign a duel is capable of manipulating the environment to his advantage and then kill his enemies.
So what if vader mastered only a tenth of every force moves? Are you implying that he is weak? Because vaders command of the force says other wise and he greatly surpasses any nightsisters(that has more force moves than him) .
He blocks Vader's force attacks. And even if he isn't able to completely, Vader WILL have to struggle quite a bit to penetrate Kas'im's defenses, so he won't win "by far".
Gives Vader a slight advantage over a guy that knows ALL classic forms because his (Vader's) style has a few elements of every form? What???
Kas'im has also manipulated his environment.
Kas'im's saber abilities was described as "perhaps the greatest ever", and this is after the times of Ragnos/Exar Kun/Revan, meaning that he is more than a match in sabers vs those great duelists.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179And according to some guide, it was stated that galen marek learned [b]many
dark side powers from vader.Now lightning + TK isn't considered "many" you know?
Gideon listed the quotes and i will get them.So what is your point here moron? Just what are you trying to tell me?
That kasim's saber mastery is going to overwhelms vaders command of the force?
Just see the above, I'm just saying the force can overwhelm a saber master because according to numerous individuals, the force is a far more terrible weapon.
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So Vader knows force lightning? Even if he knew how to use it (and taught it to Marek) he himself is incapable of doing so due to his suit, so it's irrelevant here.
It MIGHT overwhelm Vader's force superiority, or AT LEAST give Vader a hard time. You keep on forgetting that I'm not rooting for Kas'im just saying that the fight would be close.
And a saber master can also overwhelm a force guy, ala Kas'im's quote.
More coming later...
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
You can't kill someone with a saber if you're being kept at bay or being tooled with the force.
Kas'im was surprised and at the last possible instant threw up a force shield. And yet despite only having a very small time to throw it up, it still blocked an attacked that could pulverize his entire body and knocked down an entire temple. And he didn't have time to prepare the force shield. Plus, he was tired from fighting Bane for quite a while. This shows that he can in fact block very powerful force attacks.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I'm waiting...
Well, since you said "a few seconds" and now you aren't even viewing the page, it can be assumed that you have conceded defeat.
If not, then please respond to my arguments, because I have a feeling that you'll respond to THIS post and not to my important ones that counter your arguments.
Bane was building up his power for that attack. You don't think Kas'im was in slight preparation for that? Even still, how can you simultaneously block and attack? I would still put Vader's force prowess over that of Bane. I don't care about all that "moving moons out of orbit" shit. That's just EU overpower bullshit.
Even still, this is about starkiller, yes? Who beat Vader in both sabers and force. I don't see how Kas'im would survive.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallYou lack of attention to detail and blatant disregard for facts is the main reason he's arguing with you. Not to pick straws, but he said "in a second," and you quoted him as saying "a few seconds" which he didn't say. Sounds trivial, I know, but it shows a trend of misquoting and manipulating quotes to fit your argument.
Well, since you said "a few seconds" and now you aren't even viewing the page, it can be assumed that you have conceded defeat.If not, then please respond to my arguments, because I have a feeling that you'll respond to THIS post and not to my important ones that counter your arguments.
Please whats your argument now? I want your cheap entertainment.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallNo, but i do realize how idiotic you are.
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Originally posted by HewhoknowsallThe only problem is that I'm calling you an idiot, because you are an idiot.
I said that you shouldn't call someone fact (the following were put in caps, but apparently that didn't make you notice it) especially when the person isn't actually fat. In other words, you shouldn't bash someone for being an idiot especially when that person (me) isn't really an idiot. How do you fail to read my posts? It's really ridiculous.
So now your saying you aren't "really" an idiot? Well, suffice to say, that you are still an idiot.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallFair enough.
I said that Kas'im might win, but not necessarily. There is no contradiction. One may win and yet still not necessarily win.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallFair enough. Lets see, bane smashed the foundations of a 20 000 year old temple, vader on the other had was capable of choking his victims millions of lightyears away(the bounty hunter wars).
Prove it.
Last i recall people were arguing how uber nadd was because he pushed vodo from light years away.
Hmm, vader overwhelmed a powerful jedi that was capable of tearing a space station apart with relative ease, i also forgot how vader was able to go toe to toe with galen marek and all he got from the ideal was being blacked out for a few minutes and getting back right on his feet and taking no damage from galens suicide attack.
Its hysterically funny that vader isn't stronger than POD bane despite the fact that he was capable of ragdolling kento marek and block attacks powerful enough to instantly kill the stormtroopers that were beside vader.
Its also incredibly embarrasing that vader was able to smash a building sized barrier with one attack.
Pretty stupid how vader was able to crush an entire hut that was stated to be as durable and strong as steel.
Yeah and lets forget the fact that vader was able to crush the interior of a medical facility despite being in the suit for only 5 minutes.
And as for vaders devastating force wave, he did not get drained of energy until fatigue like bane in POD.
Now, shut the hell up.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallBecause its been proven by POD that a vastly more powerful force user is capable of smashing through his opponents defences?
What's to say that Vader's powerful attacks and sheer rage is? You have no proof that it can.
Coupled with vaders rage, his attack is going to been even more lethal and more powerful
So your right, despite path of destruction proving my points, i, according to you, have no proof at all.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallYeah and that shows kasims weakness in far sight ability which once again shows that he isn't that powerful of a force user despite the fact that bane was charging his force wave and kasim had ample time to see it.
You misread PoD. By "barely" you mean that Kas'im was surprised and only got to throwing the shield up at the last possible instant. Not that he couldn't stop it, he just got surprised.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallRead the novel clearly fool, the novel made it clear that during kasim's speech, bane had been gathering enough force energy to throw at kasim.
And yet despite being rushed to throw it up and only doing it at the last possible instant,
Now, despite that, kasim didn't sense bane gathering energy nor did he for saw the attack. Kasim was lucky to even conjure up a defence and whats to say that he would be able to throw up a last minute shield if vader attacks him with the force during the duel?
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallYes, if you read the empire comics, and he barely blocked the attack despite ample time during their speech.
he still blocked an attack that could pulverise his body (have any of Vader's attacks done that to anyone?) and knock down a temple.
And get it right idiot, bane destroyed the foundations of a 20 000 year old stone temple.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallAs far as a pure force fight goes, he WILL go by far.
He blocks Vader's force attacks. And even if he isn't able to completely, Vader WILL have to struggle quite a bit to penetrate Kas'im's defenses, so he won't win "by far".
Its a different story when it comes to an all out fight.
And even IF kasim could block vaders attacks, what is there to suggest that kasim has enough power to block any massive debris or pillars that vader would hurl at him?
Even galen marek had some difficulty(according to the scripted gameplay) deflecting massive pillars that vader easily threw at him.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallBecause vaders form is alien to kasim, it will throw him off for a while giving him the opporunity he needs to unleash attacks against kasim.
Gives Vader a slight advantage over a guy that knows ALL classic forms because his (Vader's) style has a few elements of every form? What???
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallTo the extent that vader did? When was the last time he was able to seize a telekinetic storm with massive pillars and use it to kill his enemies?
Kas'im has also manipulated his environment.
When was the last time he tore out an entire bridge to crush his enemies to death?
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallIts funny how you bring up revan and ragnos despite the fact that they are UNKNOWNS.
Kas'im's saber abilities was described as "perhaps the greatest ever", and this is after the times of Ragnos/Exar Kun/Revan, meaning that he is more than a match in sabers vs those great duelists.
Ragnos has done absolutely nothingwith sabers(the ancient sith used swords anyways) and your comparing kasim to him?
Bringing unknowns into a thread is going to do nothing but further damage your credibility.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallYour the one claiming that vader is ignorant in the force, im just simply proving you wrong.
So Vader knows force lightning? Even if he knew how to use it (and taught it to Marek) he himself is incapable of doing so due to his suit, so it's irrelevant here.
Weather vader can use lightning or not(he can't) is completely irrelevant.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallClose in sabers, far in force and a debate in all out fight.
It MIGHT overwhelm Vader's force superiority, or AT LEAST give Vader a hard time. You keep on forgetting that I'm not rooting for Kas'im just saying that the fight would be close.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallProvided he gets up close and kasim is a fallible third party character.
And a saber master can also overwhelm a force guy, ala Kas'im's quote.[B]
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallI look forward to taking a shit on your arguments.
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Originally posted by HewhoknowsallFunny how you took my word so literally which further proves your a dumbass, and how have i been defeated when you make things up and offer absolutely no proof at all?
Well, since you said "a few seconds" and now you aren't even viewing the page, it can be assumed that you have conceded defeat.If not, then please respond to my arguments, because I have a feeling that you'll respond to THIS post and not to my important ones that counter your arguments.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
As far as a pure force fight goes, he WILL go by far.Its a different story when it comes to an all out fight.
Close in sabers, far in force and a debate in all out fight.
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You just agreed with me! That was my ENTIRE point: in an all out fight, it would be very CLOSE, and not a curbstomp in Vader's favor.
Thank you for conceding defeat.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
I said a [b]debate in an all out fight, its still highly likely vader would stomp on kasim IF he keeps him at bay and unleashes the environment and force at him.THAT was my original point, its just sad your too much of an incompetant to read and comprehend. [/B]
If Vader is FAR more powerful, then it wouldn't be a debate.
And you said "Its a different story when it comes to an all out fight." after saying that Vader will win by far, meaning that Vader WON'T win by far, which is evident in the "Its a DIFFERENT story...".
Originally posted by truejedi
THe fact that a powerful force user can break through an opponents defense in lieu of actually using sabers to win is confirmed by TFU.
If the Force guy is capable of breaking through the other's force defenses, and Kas'im was shown to be able to block an attack that could pulverize his entire body and knock down a temple.