Originally posted by backdoormanI know that's the point they're making, but to say they didn't win is just downright misleading. Were they the great liberators? No. Did they win, however? Yes.
The point they're making is that even though the US was absent for a great part of the war, people often see them as the great, ultimate liberators of Europe in WWII.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I guess if either Russia or the US had not been involved, it would have looked different.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I guess if either Russia or the US had not been involved, it would have looked different.
Yes, it would have looked ridiculous as the Germans couldn't cross the Channel, ran out of oil and wondered what the point of the damn thing was seeing as the whole target was Russia.
Followed by ineivtable economic collapse as the whole thign was propped up by the need for continuous expansion.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes, it would have looked ridiculous as the Germans couldn't cross the Channel, ran out of oil and wondered what the point of the damn thing was seeing as [b]the whole target was Russia.Followed by ineivtable economic collapse as the whole thign was propped up by the need for continuous expansion. [/B]
They could have expanded South then used to oil from the mid-East to fuel a war against everyone else . . .
I know that's the point they're making, but to say they didn't win is just downright misleading. Were they the great liberators? No. Did they win, however? Yes.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes, it would have looked ridiculous as the Germans couldn't cross the Channel, ran out of oil and wondered what the point of the damn thing was seeing as [b]the whole target was Russia.Followed by ineivtable economic collapse as the whole thign was propped up by the need for continuous expansion. [/B]
So...what you are saying is it would have been better just to go after Russia?
It would have been better not to base the entire country on an expansionist model leading to inevitable war with the most of the rest of the world at all. Germany geared itself for such expansionism, taking advantage of a West that was tired of war and very indlugent towards its defeated middle, and pushed forwards depending on the fact that noner of the other western coutnries thought that Germany would be stupid enough to continue such action, because it would so obviously ultimately fail.
Which is precisely what happened, but Germany tore the continent apart playing its pointless role in that drama and set uo a modern world where Europe lost its role as the world's centre.
'A Warning from History' it has been called. Damn right.
Originally posted by backdoormanI wasn't replying to that. I was replying to lil bitchiness' reply to Grand-Moff-Gav. I know what the original context meant, I was just continuing on with Gav's thought.
When Magee said that the USA didn't "win" the war, he meant it as in saying that it wasn't the USA proper that won the war, that it was a shared effort propagated by a number of nations. It was obvious by the context that he wasn't saying the USA was not on the winning side.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They could have expanded South then used to oil from the mid-East to fuel a war against everyone else . . .
They didn't have the resources to stretch a war that far, and in any case that woukd have brought them into conflict with Russia anyway.
Where, exactly, would they have invaded, anyway? Where would their living space be? You think they would have gone for India instead perhaps? I rather doubt it.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
I wasn't replying to that. I was replying to lil bitchiness' reply to Grand-Moff-Gav. I know what the original context meant, I was just continuing on with Gav's thought.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The Spanish and the Dutch were on the winning side in American war of Independence. Therefore, by your logic Spain and Dutch Republic won American war of Independence.
You don't think that the US involvement in the War was a deciding factor of the, well, quicker victory to the Allies?