Originally posted by darthgoober
Well just let me know if you're ever in the mood to pick up this conversation again by resuming your arguments about Surfer not having combat speed because I'm still waiting for some of my points to be addressed and will happily resume the topic with you. Just remember to have proof ready so we can have a real discussion and don't have any issues 🙂 .
My issue is debating that SS doesn't have ultalize superspeed in combat, which he doesn't any even you admitted that point.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
My issue is debating that SS doesn't have ultalize superspeed in combat, which he doesn't any even you admitted that point.
Anyway, have you decided that you'd rather debate the point than agree to disagree since it seems like you're continuing to debate Surfer's lack of combat speed? I have no problem if you'd like to resume the discussion, just remember what I said before about it...
I wanted to address some comments made in this thread. Sorry for the delay but I wanted input from other mods. Basically, there are 2 choices when it comes to certain situations. Use the ignore or the report. PMing Raz and global mods isn't an option when regarding the disagreement in this thread. This is from the thread I posted a few weeks back....
"People also seem to disregard the ignore feature. If you can't agree or get along with a poster then use the ignore. It cuts down on frivolous reports and unnecessary warnings. It's not our fault you don't use the ignore and continue to have the same arguments with the same people. There are DC fans and there are Marvel fans. If you can't get along or agree to disagree then use the ignore function.
We are not here to referee versus threads, choose sides on who started what or ban anyone who some suspects as a sock. If there's a problem with someone breaking the rules then let us deal with it."
If there's a disagreement then post your "proof". If another poster won't listen then use the ignore function. We tried to be a bit more
strict but it only led to frivolous reports and the VS Forum gaining even more negative opinions. It's up to the posters to ignore people with whom they can't agree.
I saw nothing which broke the rules in this thread. Bottom line, if you can't get along then use the ignore.
Superman
Silver Surfer/Diana/Darkseid
Thor
Thanos
Superman, Silver Surfer, are the fastest in raw speed (Thor with his hammer is probably the third fastest as he can travel at speeds twice as fast as light with no problem)....
Combat wise, Diana and Clark have the most showings but more showings isn't everything as Silver Surfer doesn't impliment combat speed nearly as much but based on his calculating abilities etc. he should be at the very least on par with Diana on timing and be superior overall.
Silver Surfer, Darkseid, Thor etc. have impressive showings.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman
Diana/Darkseid/Silver Surfer
Thor
ThanosSuperman, Silver Surfer, are the fastest in raw speed (Thor with his hammer is probably the third fastest as he can travel at speeds twice as fast as light with no problem)....
Combat wise, Diana and Clark have the most showings.
Silver Surfer, Darkseid, Thor etc. have impressive showings, but they have more speed in terms of traveling from point A to point B.
Actually the fastest by far would be supes as he has tthe fastest movement speed. Movement speed is the foundation that is directly the cause for all functions of speed that would include travel,combat and basically any and all activities. Supes has been stated as being only second to Wally in this regard, from the list provided no one really comes close with the exception of Diana.
Characters like SS,Thanos,Darkseid and Thor don't really have superspeed movement, which is why they fight and travel at different speeds. There flight speed/combat speeds are the cause of 2 seperate external sources.....this really isn't the case with supes. To put it simply, that is what seperates speedsters from bricks.
Originally posted by Badabing
I wanted to address some comments made in this thread. Sorry for the delay but I wanted input from other mods. Basically, there are 2 choices when it comes to certain situations. Use the ignore or the report. PMing Raz and global mods isn't an option when regarding the disagreement in this thread. This is from the thread I posted a few weeks back...."People also seem to disregard the ignore feature. If you can't agree or get along with a poster then use the ignore. It cuts down on frivolous reports and unnecessary warnings. It's not our fault you don't use the ignore and continue to have the same arguments with the same people. There are DC fans and there are Marvel fans. If you can't get along or agree to disagree then use the ignore function.
We are not here to referee versus threads, choose sides on who started what or ban anyone who some suspects as a sock. If there's a problem with someone breaking the rules then let us deal with it."
If there's a disagreement then post your "proof". If another poster won't listen then use the ignore function. We tried to be a bit more
strict but it only led to frivolous reports and the VS Forum gaining even more negative opinions. It's up to the posters to ignore people with whom they can't agree.I saw nothing which broke the rules in this thread. Bottom line, if you can't get along then use the ignore.
Wait... what? How can you say that you didn't see in any rules broken when this is strait from the rules...
"No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it ."
...and this thread features post's like these...
Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS has been touched by characters at a great distance already, seems that his reflex goes out the window when he isn't flying.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Because he doesn't have combat speed on his board, u can't equate his travel speed as combat speed.
...without proof to support the claim ever being shown?
And according to pr's latest post in the Forum rules(this is just an except, not the entire post)...
"If you spot someone GENUINELY trolling i.e. making inflammatory statements, blatantly lying about something on panel, then report them. Do not accuse someone of trolling just because you don't like what they say. That's what the Ignore Function is for. If you are going to be at odds with someone, and don't want to have to interact with them, don't report them secretly hoping they'll get banned or in trouble. Why? It won't work. Put them on ignore instead. It saves both members and moderators a lot of hassle"
...lying about what happens on-panel qualifies as Trolling. And seeing as how statements like these are constantly being made...
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Except he hasn't applied it into a battle and since when does fast reflex trasnlate to fast movement. He has good pilot reflexes which no one will deny, but as it's been explained before MA is a very different kind of animal then navigation. Besides even if he could apply reflex into battle he would still need to apply speed in order for it to be effective.
...despite examples being brought to light repeatedly, and are followed up with statements like these AFTER those examples have been pointed out...
Originally posted by The Great Galen
He doesn't use it as frequently or to the same effect as Supes or WW by quite a degree...and the examples you brought up are hardly examples of using speed. SS uses speed when travelling...during fights he does not.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
He doesn't though, he doesn't have movement speed like that...oh he has is linear travel on his boad. He moves like a normal human and always has so plz stop it. Anyhow back to this thread:Superman
Wonder Woman
Darkseid
Silver Surfer
Thanos
ThorTaking into account combat related speed and reflex.
...I think it's save to say that someone's been "blatantly lying". His point isn't that Surfer doesn't blitz or that Surfer's reflexes are<Supes's(which would just be a difference of opinion's), it's that Surfer doesn't have ANY actual super speed and that his speed never even factors into his fights regardless of what these scans show us to the contrary...
Surfer using speed OFF his board while in combat against the Hulk...
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2742/talestoastonish093submakz0.jpg
Surfer using super speed off his board while in h2h combat against Lunatik(notice Lunatik's "speedlines" in the panel just below the narrative statement about Surfer "easily evading" his every blow)...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MCP175p12.jpg
Surfer hitting lightspeed in combat while on his board...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg
Surfer grabbing Nova by the throat and throwing him with such speed that Nova questions whether or not he just got hit by an energy blast(and Nova has "DC style" super speed)...
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6331/nova13dcp029kv7.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5162/scan0010ct3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8756/scan0011pd5.jpg
Surfer uses multiple energy blast against multiple targets while dodging multiple incoming blast while moving in a non strait line manner, and all in a single panel...
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me as to HOW impressive those showings of combat speed are(because that kind of thing is pretty subjective) but that's not what he's doing, he's just ignores them and says things like "Surfer doesn't use speed during his fights". How is violating either of those rules less severe than violating the "No Non-Canon Sources" rule? Why bother even having rules if we're just supposed to put everybody on ignore and not make an issue of them being broken?
I'm not trying to start a problem or anything so I'll drop it publicly and take it to PM after this, the only reason I'm posting rather than PMing it initially is because I'm not the only one curious as to the reasoning of it all and I didn't figure you'd want to to deal with PM's to multiple members if you could answer them all at once in a post(but if you want I can tell them to PM and ask you, and you can delete this post if that would be better).
Surfer does use speed, but then so does everyone. It's all a matter of how much speed and how one uses speed. Spiderman uses speed too...so does Wolverine, etc etc. But their use of speed cannot be compared with the one a speed-blitzer uses speed (ie Flash, Superman). Now I think Surfer uses speed in his board ram attacks...but he never really does what I would consider a speed blitz. just my opinion.
Darth, SS hasn't had the most showings. I've read a fair amount and haven't seen his combat speed feats. And quoting newer rules that I helped out with isn't much help. I also see the you forgot to quote my backseat modding post.
We're not here to ref matches. I saw nothing wrong with Great Galen's posts. If for some reason you can't convince him or get along then use the ignore function. If someone ignores a scan and continues to say nuh uh after their opinion has been refuted then use the report function.
I looked at your scans and didn't see any hyper reactions or speed during combat. I've seen Bats and Cap move as fast and faster. I also haven't seen it from SS in any issues I've read which he appeared. It's your job to back claims or disputes, not my job to call matches.
I don't warn people for having an opinion. So use the ignore and report when necessary and check out the backseat modding post in the rules.
Originally posted by BadabingDifferent interpretation maybe?
I looked at your scans and didn't see any hyper reactions or speed during combat. I've seen Bats and Cap move as fast and faster. I also haven't seen it from SS in any issues I've read which he appeared. It's your job to back claims or disputes, not my job to call matches.
Originally posted by kgkgThat's what it always comes down to. I know SS is fast and has high stats all around. I wouldn't argue that he does not have fast reflexes either. But the thread is set up to show feats basically. So what I think and what I can prove are not the same. It's unfortunate that Superman and Wonder Woman will have the most feats because they have more showings.
Different interpretation maybe?
Originally posted by Starscream MIt irks me that Marvel has kickass top tier characters but they're "written down" compared to DC's top tiers. I would like to see Thor just slap the piss outta someone using his bio noted "godlike speed" or see SS just once not contemplate a situation or talk first and simply wtfpwn a character. uhuh @ Marvel sometimes.
why is that unfortunate? 😕 😛
Originally posted by Badabing
It irks me that Marvel has kickass top tier characters but they're "written down" compared to DC's top tiers. I would like to see Thor just slap the piss outta someone using his bio noted "godlike speed" or see SS just once not contemplate a situation or talk first and simply wtfpwn a character. uhuh @ Marvel sometimes.
Maybe that the way the char is suppose to be.
Originally posted by Badabing"I've seen Bats and Cap move as fast and faster." 😐
I looked at your scans and didn't see any hyper reactions or speed during combat. I've seen Bats and Cap move as fast and faster. I also haven't seen it from SS in any issues I've read which he appeared. It's your job to back claims or disputes, not my job to call matches.
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