Originally posted by darthgoober
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Okay darth, let's address this civily since I don't have any real problems with you and since I do respect you're debating style and even agree with you're opinion most of the time. I quantify "combat superspeed"as the ability to ultalize superspeed in a combat situation...pretty straight forward concept but it's also very subjective. That's why I try my best to implement a specific criteria, it may not apply for every poster but it's what I personally use when debating. First, let me start off with my tenants for"superspeed" in combat:
Initiation-The speed in which a character can initiats a attack agaisnt his opponent.
Mobolity-The speed in which a character can move to/move agaisnt his opponent.
Evasion-The speed in which a character can evade and avoid his opponent.
Interception-The speed in which a character can block and intercept his opponent's attacks.
Now that is a pretty fair criteria I would think, it covers pretty much all aspects of combat and speed in relation to them. Now from what you've shown me from SS....it's pretty cleary marvel did not assign SS with this particular skill. Supes on the other hand is a brawler type, it's only natural this would be a very prominent aspect with him. Not to mention supes movement speed is second only to wally, and movement speed is the foundation for all functions of speed.
Originally posted by The Great Galenthe scans goob posted pretty much cover all those criteria to the letter. 😬 if anything, it may come down to the surfer's mindset being more passive for 90% of his on-panel career. now that he's back to being galactus' herald, his "willingness" to quickly overwhelm opponents (see nova) is more president in his battle strategy.
Initiation-The speed in which a character can initiats a attack agaisnt his opponent.
Mobolity-The speed in which a character can move to/move agaisnt his opponent.
Evasion-The speed in which a character can evade and avoid his opponent.
Interception-The speed in which a character can block and intercept his opponent's attacks.
after all norrin is a pacifist, his whole character is based around saving life at all costs, without his personality dominating his actions, the surfer is a completely different guy.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the scans goob posted pretty much cover all those criteria to the letter. 😬 if anything, it may come down to the surfer's mindset being more passive for 90% of his on-panel career. now that he's back to being galactus' herald, his "willingness" to quickly overwhelm opponents (see nova) is more president in his battle strategy.after all norrin is a pacifist, his whole character is based around saving life at all costs, without his personality dominating his actions, the surfer is a completely different guy.
SS has done all those things...as have most characters. I'm arguing if he's done it while performing at superspeed. I'm not really sure if SS even has superspeed movement, thats typically only a attribute we see from speedsters.
Originally posted by The Great Galenthis is starting to hurt my frontal lobe now....... ok, the surfer actually gave a quantitative speed for his movement: transcending lightspeed.
SS has done all those things...as have most characters. I'm arguing if he's done it while performing at superspeed. I'm not really sure if SS even has superspeed movement, thats typically only a attribute we see from speedsters.
Guys, I'm not sure what the confusion is all about. This isn't about how fast SS can travel, it's about how fast he can hit in H2H. With all due respect to Goob, his scans did not show Silver Surfer hitting someone at high speed. Now given Surfer's power set I'm inclined to think he has super speed reactions but I've personally never seen them used in H2H. These are the types of scans which would be nice to see regarding SS.
Originally posted by BadabingCombat does not have to be H2H
Guys, I'm not sure what the confusion is all about. With all due respect to Goob, his scans did not show Silver Surfer hitting someone at high speed. Now given Surfer's power set I'm inclined to think he has super speed reactions but I've personally never seen them used in H2H. These are the types of scans which would be nice to see regarding SS.
Surfer's main attacks are energy blast he is not going to go h2h Superman style.
Originally posted by kgkgfacepalm
Combat does not have to be H2HSurfer's main attacks are energy blast he is not going to go h2h Superman style.
Read the opening post.
Originally posted by Starscream M
Rank the following top-tiers according to their level of combat speed/reflex from fastest to slowest.Superman
Wonder Woman
Darkseid
Silver Surfer
Thor
Thanos
Originally posted by Badabing
Guys, I'm not sure what the confusion is all about. This isn't about how fast SS can travel, it's about how fast he can hit in H2H. With all due respect to Goob, his scans did not show Silver Surfer hitting someone at high speed. Now given Surfer's power set I'm inclined to think he has super speed reactions but I've personally never seen them used in H2H. These are the types of scans which would be nice to see regarding SS.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
...is a perfectly legitimate example of combat speed for this thread's purposes because I believe it's about OVERALL combat speed, not H2H specifically.
Originally posted by darthgoober
H2H isn't specified in the OP, and ranged combat is just as valid as H2H without that stipulation. So this...http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
...is a perfectly legitimate example of combat speed for this thread's purposes because I believe it's about OVERALL combat speed, not H2H specifically.
How fast is he going?
Also I don't think anyone is disputing Silver Surfer's board is fast.
