I don’t think, Silver Surfer should be judge to harsh. You need immense form of reaction, if you wish to perceive through the tunnel vision at faster then light speed‘s. The writer that did, Black Panther arm bar scenario admits, he screwed up and that its hard to write about a character as powerful, with faster then light such as the Surfer. Along the fact that, he is stated to have nano-second reaction time. That’s one billionth of a second.
What members want to compare is combat initiative, physical close quarter combat scenario‘s, to Supermans. Silver Surfer isn’t a physical character. He is more of an energy base, and a striker. But not someone that normally engages another in H2H combat. I mean, he normally either:
A) Bulrushes you
B) Shots energy at you
The moments, he has engaged in H2H combat. Most of the time, lack any indication of Super Speed. And when you do have evidence of Super Speed, its unquantifiable.
Because of that, he lacks feats based on fluid movements. Its implied he can keep up with likes such as Superman, but its not regularly shown. Their for Superman and yes Wonder Women trump Silver Surfer in display’s of fluid movements.
Originally posted by id369do you think Surfer could defend against a speed blitz attack by Superman?
Because of that, he lacks feats based on fluid movements. Its implied he can keep up with likes such as Superman, but its not regularly shown. Their for Superman and yes Wonder Women trump Silver Surfer in display’s of fluid movements.
Originally posted by id369nah, superman only trumps him in SUPERMAN's form of fighting.
Their for Superman and yes Wonder Women trump Silver Surfer in display’s of fluid movements.
it's like saying a fast knife fighter who's also good with a gun but primarily sticks with his knife is better than a fast hip shooter that is also good with a knife but rather stick with his revolver. superman mostly gets all up in his opponents face whereas surfer shoots them from a distance, either of them can do the opposite but .... they can if need be. surfer has the tools to do it so you can't rule out his ability to move that fast.
Originally posted by psycho gundamWhen you have a character written to be more of a brawler type, they have the tendency to show good reaction to reflex. As in the case with Superman.
nah, superman only trumps him in SUPERMAN's form of fighting.it's like saying a fast knife fighter who's also good with a gun but primarily sticks with his knife is better than a fast hip shooter that is also good with a knife but rather stick with his revolver. superman mostly gets all up in his opponents face whereas surfer shoots them from a distance, either of them can do the opposite but .... they can if need be. surfer has the tools to do it so you can't rule out his ability to move that fast.
He is a brawler, his skills are honed into exploiting them. We will see more displays of reaction to reflex because of the nature of the character. It really helps Superman case, because it takes place in the DC universe. Where DC writers wet themselves with consistent high speed characters. Superman average, interacts with Green Lantern‘s, MMH, Black Adam, Wonder Women, Other Kryptonian’s etc..
Unfortunately Silver Surfer isn’t written to be a brawler, and lacks comparable cast who are regarded to be in the Flash league of speed.
Originally posted by id369
When you have a character written to be more of a brawler type, they have the tendency to show good reaction to reflex. As in the case with Superman.He is a brawler, his skills are honed into exploiting them. We will see more displays of reaction to reflex because of the nature of the character. It really helps Superman case, because it takes place in the DC universe. Where DC writers wet themselves with consistent high speed characters. Superman average, interacts with Green Lantern‘s, MMH, Black Adam, Wonder Women, Other Kryptonian’s etc..
Unfortunately Silver Surfer isn’t written to be a brawler, and lacks comparable cast who are regarded to be in the Flash league of speed.
Can't we all just agree with this? Just because H2H fighting favors Supes over SS, that doesn't take anything away from Surfer. He still has a clear advantage in a lot of areas.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
nah, superman only trumps him in SUPERMAN's form of fighting.it's like saying a fast knife fighter who's also good with a gun but primarily sticks with his knife is better than a fast hip shooter that is also good with a knife but rather stick with his revolver. superman mostly gets all up in his opponents face whereas surfer shoots them from a distance, either of them can do the opposite but .... they can if need be. surfer has the tools to do it so you can't rule out his ability to move that fast.
No, but before I get to this point I just wanted to address something. I never referred to"h2h"here, I was talking about combat speed in general and of course projectiles are valid in combat...melee and ranged attacks are all apsects of combat so why wouldn't it be valid. Anyhow, I strongly disagree with this notion that SS could fight the way supes does but choses not to because of"character motives"or whatever....while SS does prefer to ultalize projectiles he can never fight like supes for one big reason.The biggest difference is supes has"superspeed movement"and SS does not.
Movement determines essentially every physical activity for every range of motion. If a person has the ability of superfast movement, basically they can perform the full spectrum of physical activities but at a highly excellerated motion...which is what speedsters typcially do. Supes has been stated as being the second fastest moving person next Wally, this is a important arrtribute becase it clearly will have a tremendous influence on how supes can fight.
Characters like SS,Thor,Thanos do not have this ability. Which is why when they brawl we hardly ever see this level of motion in battle.There are tons of "brawling"type characters but very few actually have superfast movement,besides it isn't only a issue of having this attribute but also how it is applied. In supes case, he has expert level MA so his application of speed is tremendous. In addition to having this property, u have to have the application to go along with it to be fully effective...and supes has this in spades.
SS can still ultalize the speed of his board offensivly in combat of course, but because he lacks the movement speed he will never be able to fight like supes...and typically the DCU likes to portray it's characters with this speed attribute.
Originally posted by Naija boy
This is just insane. scans having been posted repeatedly of SS "moving" and "attacking" at superspeed while in battle and then some one can still come an say that he wasnt "moving" in those scans but was "travelling". My God facepalm
Who is saying that, I'm saying SS doesn't have superfast movment which he doesn't. He can use the speed of his board offensivly but it isn't true"movment superspeed"to the degree of a speedster like Supes or Diana.
Originally posted by Naija boy
facepalm. How can u say SS doesnt have "superfast movement" when thats exactly what he is doing in the scans? Moving at superspeed. Then u say he doesnt have "true movement superspeed"?
what the hell is that? SS has his board here so what u define as "true movement superspeed" is just irrelevant.
Right, his board can move fast but SS's body can't. Supespeed movement applies to the persons own body movements. I'll give you a example, Stark can fly close to lightspeed but he can't fight at that speed....on the other hand somone like QS can run at mach 10 and also fight at that speed. You know what the big difference is, it's because QS has the movement speed while Tony doesn't....and since movement is the base of all physical motion, QS's travel/combat speed are not mutually exclusive unlike with Stark. Same applies here, SS can ultalize the speed of his board in combat but it's because of his board that he can move fast....not because of his own actual body movements.