Sun-dipped Superman vs Amped Silver Surfer: Pure Brawl

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Calculate how fast you have to go in order to travel half a million light years in a few seconds. It takes light one full year to travel only one light year. He travels 500,000 light years in seconds. Think about it.
Are you guys dense? I know those scans do not = Surfer punching at nanosecond speeds. I was posting those scans because apparently vlaad12345 thinks that if you grab something while going at far far ftl speeds, that is evidence of nanosecond punching speed. I was criticizing his reasoning by showing him that his standards would not only erronesouly suggest that Superman can punch at nanosecond speeds, but that Surfer has MORE evidence that he could punch at nanosecond speeds. I didn't post those scans as evidence that Surfer has combat superspeed! Gawd.

Well then again u did use narrative hypberole for Glads and Hyperion, and u still seem to think SS has some level of competent superspeed comparable to supes when clearly he doesnt.

Originally posted by Raoul
superman gets knocked down by villains all the time, and does fine.

shame on carver for taking what galen said seriously. mhmm

Whatever dude, he's the one who thinks movie supes can take out Thanos and that Goku can beat supes lol.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
and that Goku can beat supes lol.

So does Wizard Magazine, a publication that is much more biased towards comics than they are towards anime.

That's not a big deal.

Originally posted by Enyalus
So does Wizard Magazine, a publication that is much more biased towards comics than they are towards anime.

That's not a big deal.

Well hey I like supes but I'd never claim he could take beyonder, credibility is the thing.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well then again u did use narrative hypberole for Glads and Hyperion, and u still seem to think SS has some level of competent superspeed comparable to supes when clearly he doesnt.

Meanwhile, there are an insane number of posters in this thread and others, that agree that Surfer has combat superspeed, not on the level of Superman, but at least some combat superspeed. You are literally: 1) lying through your teeth and trying to save face with your false bravado, because you consider the act of admitting how wrong you are as more humiliating than ignoring how nobody agrees with you; or 2) you are actually that dense and your trolling and ignorance of clear on-panel evidence is truly genuine.

In the second case, I pity you. I'll give you more credit then that though, and label you as merely recalcitrant and stubborn. Which is fine. But honestly, nobody with a lick of sense believes you. And that is more than amply demonstrated by the constant derision your posts receive and the multiple warnings by the mods your posts engender. Sit down, boy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You are the only person on these forums that thinks the 3rd person narrative of the writer is "narrative hyperbole." The only one. THE ONLY ONE. Straw-man argumentation doesn't work. I don't think Silver Surfer's combat superspeed equals Superman's. Don't mischaracterize, don't lie.

Meanwhile, there are an insane number of posters in this thread and others, that agree that Surfer has combat superspeed, not on the level of Superman, but at least some combat superspeed. You are literally: 1) lying through your teeth and trying to save face with your false bravado, because you consider the act of admitting how wrong you are as more humiliating than ignoring how nobody agrees with you; or 2) you are actually that dense and your trolling and ignorance of clear on-panel evidence is truly genuine.

In the second case, I pity you. I'll give you more credit then that though, and label you as merely recalcitrant and stubborn. Which is fine. But honestly, nobody with a lick of sense believes you. And that is more than amply demonstrated by the constant derision your posts receive and the multiple warnings by the mods your posts engender. Sit down, boy.

lol, Look you showed me ur scans with ur "perspective"on it...I've seen u take nearly any supes(or DC actually)related feat and undermine or trvialize it as something overrated or not very impressive. So let's stay on topic and not get out of hand....if u ask me who I think would win between a amp supes and SS in a purly brawl type of match then I'll have to go with supes for the majoirty.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
lol, Look you showed me ur scans with ur "perspective"on it...I've seen u take nearly any supes(or DC actually)related feat and undermine or trvialize it as something overrated or not very impressive. So let's stay on topic and not get out of hand....if u ask me who I think would win between a amp supes and SS in a purly brawl type of match then I'll have to go with supes for the majoirty.

Don't act like this conversation is getting out of hand. Don't try to act like your simple resignation, "Oh, well despite what you say, this is my opinion," is some sincere attempt to defuse a situation that will devolve into flame wars. We all know that you're trying to defuse. A situation that you can't escape from: The complete exposure of your hypocritical double-standards. This isn't a flame. It's a debate, and I'm attacking your logic. Not you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Don't act like this conversation is getting out of hand. Don't try to act like your simple resignation, "Oh, well despite what you say, this is my opinion," is some sincere attempt to defuse a situation that will devolve into flame wars. We all know that you're trying to defuse. A situation that you can't escape from: The complete exposure of your hypocritical double-standards. This isn't a flame. It's a debate, and I'm attacking your logic. Not you.

I missed you. 😄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. I only put into context your so-called nanosecond speed feats of Superman. And when I show you unequivocal nanosecond feats, ones that don't even rely on a person's own speech/thoguhts, but the 3rd person writer narrator, you manage to dismiss it. Nothing that you've shown me of Superman, shows me a 3rd person narrator saying its nanosecond speeds. You rely completely on how the panel looks, speed lines/blurs. Thor has plenty of speed lines/blurs. So does Silver Surfer. But for you, it doesn't matter. Why? Simply because it's not Superman. You're being hypocritical in your logic. Just because you act oblivious to your own double-standard logic doesn't make your opinions any less laughable.

Don't act like this conversation is getting out of hand. Don't try to act like your simple resignation, "Oh, well despite what you say, this is my opinion," is some sincere attempt to defuse a situation that will devolve into flame wars. We all know that you're trying to defuse. A situation that you can't escape from: The complete exposure of your hypocritical double-standards. This isn't a flame. It's a debate, and I'm attacking your logic. Not you.

Nano-second combat speed?.....dude I said supes has movment speed comparable to flash and that he has shown the application of this speed for functions such as travel,combat,construction,caculations and various other bodily functions. I can account for thise feats as being more legitimate only because I don't trust the vauge narrative of a event that could easily be more symbolic then it is factual such as in the scans you posted. Since supes has some visiable reference to support the text, I'm inclined to believe something I can actually seen and not something "I think".

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Nano-second combat speed?.....dude I said supes has movment speed comparable to flash and that he has shown the application of this speed for functions such as travel,combat,construction,caculations and various other bodily functions. I can account for thise feats as being more legitimate only because I don't trust the vauge narrative of a event that could easily be more symbolic then it is factual such as in the scans you posted. Since supes has some visiable reference to support the text, I'm inclined to believe something I can actually seen and not something "I think".

with the stipulations superman takes it handily 7/10

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Flash has picosecond combat speed. That's 1,000X faster than nanosecond combat speed. We haven't been arguing about Superman's travel, calculations or other... bodily... um... functions. Only about combat. You trust speed lines/blur effects as more legitimate because narrative text is vague. So why don't you trust Thor's combat speed feats with speed lines and blur effects? Or Silver Surfer's? Why? And narrative text is vague? The narrators didn't say, "they moved with blind speed," or "moved at the speed of thought." That's vague. Nanoseconds are measurable. If anything is open to hyperbolic interpretation, it's speed lines and blur effects. Since Silver Surfer has actual verifiably measured references to support the art, I'm inclined to believe something I can actually read and not something "I see".

I said bodily functions? oh srry that was bodily movment. Anyhow like I said, text isn't always reliable as it's for the purpose to"Sell"the story. Like how a color commentator might do for a sporting event, I mean sure there are play by play announcers but I don't think this was the case for the scans u posted...since the on-panel action doesn't match it. With supes I get the text, and visual reference to affirm it....so look if u wanna argue with what "u think"as opposed to "what there is"then sure go ahead,but u won't get anywhere with me cause I'm a "Facts"kind of guy.

^ facepalm

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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Thank you for conceding 🙂

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Originally posted by Starscream M
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WHAT, the great galan account got banned? WOW. didnt know that.

I give this to supes more than not. This fight is in his favor, I just cant see Surfer out punching Supes even IF he has the edge in durability.

Supes 8/10

Originally posted by carver9
I give this to supes more than not. This fight is in his favor, I just cant see Surfer out punching Supes even IF he has the edge in durability.

Supes 8/10

this isn't a slugfest

I read the title saying pure brawl. If its a pure brawl superman for the high majority. If surfer still maintains his energy attacks, surfer 8or9/10.

How much more powerful is a sun dip supes over a regular supes. I havent seen anything from a sundip supes that a regular supes shouldnt be able to do when pushed to the edge.

Some people say that he equal prime but I could see prime lifting war world throwing it inside of the portal instead of using flight to push it.