Sun-dipped Superman vs Amped Silver Surfer: Pure Brawl

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
FTL engines backed by a big bang,again actually show surfer reaching anywhere close what a sundipped superman can physically.

So you think Warworld's tech and engines can utilize ALL of Imperiex's energies at once? And if so, where'd the power he showed when actually making the Big Bang come from, if the engines used it all pushing against Superman?

BTW, will you show me where it states that Imperiex's power is the Big Bang? Because:

That is what I find of Imperiex's power....

Originally posted by Enyalus
Imperiex's power.

What consist of imperiex power ?

Originally posted by Enyalus
So you think Warworld's tech and engines can utilize ALL of Imperiex's energies at once? And if so, where'd the power he showed when actually making the Big Bang come from, if the engines used it all pushing against Superman?

BTW, will you show me where it states that Imperiex's power is the Big Bang? Because:

That is what I find of Imperiex's power....

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ok, so hold on, Silver Surfer, is not allowed to use energy, and matter manipulation, to take advantage, of Kryptonite and Red Solar Radiation weaknesses?

He still has those abilities in the fight though right?

Norrin open's up a black hole in Clark's head.

Superman defeating Norrin even while sun dipped is still highly debatable as Norrin can also increase his strength exponentially, and unlike Superman who would get weaker over time, and lose the charge (He would need to sun dip after a while) Norrin can always use the Power Cosmic, and use ambient energy etc. to constantly augment his physical stats.

Norrin recently has not shown any limit to the amount of energy he can absorb or channel as to my knowledge. Besides at base he is already way over 100 Tons (Marvel unfortunately still uses the 100 Ton scale from the past) etc. (Capable of shrugging of attacks from beings like Hulk as if they were nothing) and can as stated augment his physical stats.

Durability wise? If at base he can take blows from Aegis etc. who are Galactus level and simply beyond Clark's scope of power and live, he can take what Clark can dish out while amped.

This battle is hard to decide, as we do not know the physical limit of either.

Throw in matter manipulation and I give it Norrin though because either way, that gives him the advantage in my opinion.

Supes powers tend to charge when in outdoors...don't really know where the"he will run out of power"thing is coming from. Anyhow, from a physical perspective Supes is SS superior by a vast margin....not even remotly comparable. The thread specified typical energy blast if I'm not mistaken...oh and is everyone forgetting Supes moves way more faster then SS does in combat.

I didn't mean his normal powers, but after a while, the charge he received, from the Sun Dip, should burn itself out and restore him to normal levels after to much energy has been exerted at one time etc. He can Sun-Dip again of course.

Meh, maybe to much speculation on my part.

Not even remotely comparable?

Have we seen Norrin, show a physical limit?

I think he is seriously being underestimated, as in durability he can take the best of what Superman can dish and keep on coming, and in strength, his base alone gives him enough physical might to fight beings like Thor and shrug of blows like Hulk.

That's not taking into account how he can increase all of his physical stats by vast vast amounts, so them not being remotely comparable, is stretching it.

I mean of course Superman has more raw strength feats, as he is more of a physical being, but the smaller lists of feats and combination of Power Cosmic, shows that Norrin can surely hang with Clark on a physical level.

Combat speed is an advantage, but seeing as how Norrin can simply mind rape him etc., the advantage gets canceled out by Norrin's versatile power set to an extent.

Well, the thread maker only said, that manipulation was not allowed for Superman's weaknesses such as Red Solar Radiation, Kryptonite etc.

It never said about methods such as Norrin draining the Solar energy, from Clark and addition to his own power etc.

Surfer's so versatile that we can really use our imagination, not to mention he is merciless now, and would not hesitate, to simply open up a black hole where Clark's torso use to be etc.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
FTL engines backed by a big bang,again actually show surfer reaching anywhere close what a sundipped superman can physically.

You got this from where exactly?

Originally posted by Enyalus
So you think Warworld's tech and engines can utilize ALL of Imperiex's energies at once? And if so, where'd the power he showed when actually making the Big Bang come from, if the engines used it all pushing against Superman?

BTW, will you show me where it states that Imperiex's power is the Big Bang? Because:

That is what I find of Imperiex's power....

Originally posted by I'm Bran
That was quite possibly the gheyest thing I've heard in a while.

You're one to talk "Khaiser".

I have 2 questions...has Surfer amped his physical stats in any recent arcs? Because all I've seen is Surfer amping himself to match Thing's strength. Obviously there must be more instances where he has done it...and has he amped himself to achieve the high end strength feats from the other top tiers like superman/thor?

Well, unless it's cosmic level beings etc. Silver Surfer has always shown he can match it when push comes to shove. The greatest problem with Norrin before was that he is a pacifist, and probably almost all of his fights where he lost through a plot device etc. were because of his trusting nature and lack of killing. He was completely naive, but when he let loose, he beat a great deal of anyone who came in his way.

I mean, let him fight the Thing, and he can manhandle Ben, let him fight the Hulk (I mean at his weakest ever, he was beating the crap out of WWH and the Warbound if you remember), he can shrug of his attacks, throw him in a black hole, and he can effortlessly survive even under those circumstances.

So my point is that, he doesn't "amp" etc. or meet the challenge unless its necessary.

Although, I don't think he has amped in any recent arks. I don't think he needs to.

I mean, at base, he was taking hits from Aegis etc. and was still fighting back. That means at base, he can take whatever Superman can dish and keep on coming.

It seems, he has gotten a power boost and attitude change.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't mean his normal powers, but after a while, the charge he received, from the Sun Dip, should burn itself out and restore him to normal levels after to much energy has been exerted at one time etc. He can Sun-Dip again of course.

Meh, maybe to much speculation on my part.

Not even remotely comparable?

Have we seen Norrin, show a physical limit?

I think he is seriously being underestimated, as in durability he can take the best of what Superman can dish and keep on coming, and in strength, his base alone gives him enough physical might to fight beings like Thor and shrug of blows like Hulk.

That's not taking into account how he can increase all of his physical stats by vast vast amounts, so them not being remotely comparable, is stretching it.

I mean of course Superman has more raw strength feats, as he is more of a physical being, but the smaller lists of feats and combination of Power Cosmic, shows that Norrin can surely hang with Clark on a physical level.

Combat speed is an advantage, but seeing as how Norrin can simply mind rape him etc., the advantage gets canceled out by Norrin's versatile power set to an extent.

Well, the thread maker only said, that manipulation was not allowed for Superman's weaknesses such as Red Solar Radiation, Kryptonite etc.

It never said about methods such as Norrin draining the Solar energy, from Clark and addition to his own power etc.

Surfer's so versatile that we can really use our imagination, not to mention he is merciless now, and would not hesitate, to simply open up a black hole where Clark's torso use to be etc.

Mind rape on clark...dude if Despero couldn't do it and if a ubber skyfather level character couldn't do it then, well why would Norrin be able to do it. If anything, T-VO would be more effective on SS then any mental TP attack SS throws at supes....simply put it the last palce SS wants to fight supes is in the battle of the minds.Secondly, Supes has shown to regenerate energy nearly instantly why out in the open....and given the surge in energy he will attain with this amp it's very unlikly that will be a viable tactic. SS could try but it will be a lesson in fultilty, it would be like trying to empty a ocean with small bucket...you can try but don't expect any quick results.

Physically speaking, Supes is the most versatile and imposing brawling type character you can find. This match stipulation is a huge advantage in supes favor. He has striking power potent enough to injury a sourced power infinity man, durability to endure a exploding sun eater, movement speed second only to wally and projectile output that exceeds a type 2 supernova in raw power...and this is just as his base. I gave SS the win in the supes vs SS thread due to the weakness exploitation, but barring those and enforcing a "brawl only"type of stipulation is just a slaughter in supes favor.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I have 2 questions...has Surfer amped his physical stats in any recent arcs? Because all I've seen is Surfer amping himself to match Thing's strength. Obviously there must be more instances where he has done it...and has he amped himself to achieve the high end strength feats from the other top tiers like superman/thor?

SS has yet to even amp himself to Thanos level let alone "near PC Supes level". The only situation where he amped himself to a impressive degree was when he matched savage hulk...but if I'm not mistaken there was something in that story arc that affected both of them so they were actually slightly depowered and not at full power.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Again,entropy,again you completelly ignore the scan that directly compares imperiex to the big bang that birthed the universe

No it doesn't. No where does it ever, in OWAW, say that Imperiex's power is the Big Bang, or anything similar. It says he was going to destroy Earth-One and that would trigger a new, multiversal Big Bang.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I have 2 questions...has Surfer amped his physical stats in any recent arcs? Because all I've seen is Surfer amping himself to match Thing's strength. Obviously there must be more instances where he has done it...and has he amped himself to achieve the high end strength feats from the other top tiers like superman/thor?

Surfer's base is already above Hulk's.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No it doesn't. No where does it ever, in OWAW, say that Imperiex's power is the Big Bang, or anything similar. It says he was going to destroy Earth-One and that would trigger a new, multiversal Big Bang.

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Are you sure you got that comic ?

Are we talking base Savage Hulk or Pissed Off at everything Hulk?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Are we talking base Savage Hulk or Pissed Off at everything Hulk?

He's easily caught an Enraged Hulk's punch before, prior to draining his gamma. And then in Planet Hulk, while weakened and cut off from the PC he physically overpowers Gladiator Hulk and the rest of the Warbound to boot. He's been upgraded since. And like I said, that was without amping.

Planet Hulk was the very same storyline in which Hulk was shifting tectonic plates and holding Sakaar together...

Yeah yeah. I still wanted to watch scans of him amping his physical stats besides that thing instance. Surfer was cut off from the power cosmic too when he trashed Hulk & co. I sure loved the Surfer in that story. He kicked ass.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Yeah yeah. I still wanted to watch scans of him amping his physical stats besides that thing instance. Surfer was cut off from the power cosmic too when he trashed Hulk & co. I sure loved the Surfer in that story. He kicked ass.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Yeah yeah. I still wanted to watch scans of him amping his physical stats besides that thing instance. Surfer was cut off from the power cosmic too when he trashed Hulk & co. I sure loved the Surfer in that story. He kicked ass.

For sure...also without amping, he physically stalemated Champion w/ Quantum Bands until Nova showed up with Drax.

...I think he amped himself for the Uni-Lord fight, which is why Goober is mentioning it...

But uh, I don't have it so I can't check the details.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No it doesn't. No where does it ever, in OWAW, say that Imperiex's power is the Big Bang, or anything similar. It says he was going to destroy Earth-One and that would trigger a new, multiversal Big Bang.

Surfer's base is already above Hulk's.