Originally posted by Burning thoughtIt didn't knock him out, it locked his suit up.
superhuman lol, the only feat ive sene of him is falling a few KM from the sky which knocked him out for a long time....
He can flip a tank easily.
He has 20 millisecond reaction-speed and sees bullets in slow motion.
Hell, he fell from lower orbit, the very fact that his body inside the suit did not turn to goop proves he is superhuman, physically he was fine.
easily? thats already been debated in more depth in here and it doesnt sound like the conclusion that he actually flipped a tank "easily".
it proves nothing, simply that the suit is obviously very protective could be another reason, or the suit can take most impact damage, either way ive not seen any of these actual feats you claim suc has seeing bullets in slow motion and seeing something in slow mo, doesnt mean you can move at their speed or close.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtThe tank gets flipped with near no effort. How's about the opposition to MC prove it requires effort? And said tanks are 66 tons. Being able to push one would require tremendous physical strength beyond that of any human.
easily? thats already been debated in more depth in here and it doesnt sound like the conclusion that he actually flipped a tank "easily".it proves nothing, simply that the suit is obviously very protective could be another reason, or the suit can take most impact damage, either way ive not seen any of these actual feats you claim suc has seeing bullets in slow motion and seeing something in slow mo, doesnt mean you can move at their speed or close.
Which means nothing as he is wearing the suit.
Sees them in slow motion, and also has 20 millisecond reaction time. Though you did not mention that.
If you can't debate a point, then concede it.
Master Chief is superhuman, the fact that he can move when he weighs half a ton while wearing his armor proves it. Arguing against this fact is quite frankly idiotic.
Whats the point of conceding a point my opponent cannot debate either? lol.....
And I would never call someone greater than a human, super human. Simply enhanced, or beyond. but not a real Superhuman. Then again he is prob by definition super human.....
which isnt really impressive, most characters in fiction are by definition "super human"
Originally posted by Burning thoughtGood job. You just managed to make a post without addressing a single point.
Whats the point of conceding a point my opponent cannot debate either? lol.....And [b]I
would never call someone greater than a human, super human. Simply enhanced, or beyond. but not a real Superhuman. Then again he is prob by definition super human.....which isnt really impressive, most characters in fiction are by definition "super human" [/B]
By definition, Master Chief is superhuman.
Isn't really impressive? Random Doom Marine Guy is not superhuman at all.
yes he is, he is beyond the overall limit of the typical human, a human would not be able to mentally take a couple of hellknights coming after them, or the dead chasing them. Such trauma would terrify a normal human.
Asides from doing that consistently until the very end the very journey itself is damn impressive, he negotiates this place consistently, without rest, without food, without much of anything at all.
oh and you didnt have any points, you were simply making statements, I could see no real argument there.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtOkay. So he has a superhuman force of "will." 🙄
yes he is, he is beyond the overall limit of the typical human, a human would not be able to mentally take a couple of hellknights coming after them, or the dead chasing them. Such trauma would terrify a normal human.Asides from doing that consistently until the very end the very journey itself is damn impressive, he negotiates this place consistently, without rest, without food, without much of anything at all.
oh and you didnt have any points, you were simply making statements, I could see no real argument there.
Gameplay mechanics.
You argued that Master Chief was not superhuman. I wrecked your pathetic shit argument. Deal with it.
Which makes him Super human.
No...its nothing to do with gameplay, not once in the game or otherwise, not once in a video, was it hinted he had any rest time or anything to eat, furthermore there is no food (if youve played the game) around at all.
I argued he did not survive falling because of being Superhuman you goof lmao.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIt means he has a strong mind.
Which makes him Super human.No...its nothing to do with gameplay, not once in the game or otherwise, not once in a video, was it hinted he had any rest time or anything to eat, furthermore there is no food (if youve played the game) around at all.
I argued he did not survive falling because of being Superhuman you goof lmao.
So going by that, Link from Legend of Zelda can go day upon day upon day without eating, shitting, or drinking?
You laughed at me saying he was superhuman. Don't lie.
Originally posted by Burning thought
it proves nothing, simply that the suit is obviously very protective could be another reason, or the suit can take most impact damage, either way ive not seen any of these actual feats you claim suc has seeing bullets in slow motion and seeing something in slow mo, doesnt mean you can move at their speed or close.
The suit, while very durable, does NOT absorb impact well. Anyone who has been splattered in multiplayer Halo can attest to that game mechanic. Also, a passage in the First Strike novel contributes as well, during the part where they had to make a free fall jump from low orbit from a half-destroyed dropship:
"They had to overpressurize the cushioning gel in their armor just before impact, or their organs would be crushed against their impervious MJOLNIR armor."
He does not see bullets in slow motion, he can see them and dodge them however. Unless it's super rapid fire. During the first workout after the physical augmentations, where his adrenaline isn't pumping, everything in the gym seemed to be moving too slow. When the adrenaline kicks in, coupled with the power reactive circuits from the armor, he is actually fast enough to dodge bullets.
And when you see something in slow-mo, then yes that does mean you can move at their speed, at least. It's a matter of perspective.
Originally posted by Burning thought
a human would not be able to mentally take a couple of hellknights coming after them, or the dead chasing them. Such trauma would terrify a normal human.
Originally posted by DarkC
I'm afraid TGE is correct here.The suit, while very durable, does NOT absorb impact well. Anyone who has been splattered in multiplayer Halo can attest to that game mechanic. Also, a passage in the First Strike novel contributes as well, during the part where they had to make a free fall jump from low orbit from a half-destroyed dropship:
[b]"They had to overpressurize the cushioning gel in their armor just before impact, or their organs would be crushed against their impervious MJOLNIR armor."
He does not see bullets in slow motion, he can see them and dodge them however. Unless it's super rapid fire. During the first workout after the physical augmentations, where his adrenaline isn't pumping, everything in the gym seemed to be moving too slow. When the adrenaline kicks in, coupled with the power reactive circuits from the armor, he is actually fast enough to dodge bullets.
And when you see something in slow-mo, then yes that does mean you can move at their speed, at least. It's a matter of perspective.
Chief's mind isn't superhuman. It just has been through too much war and battling to feel trauma. Nothing in his augmentations gives him a steadier head. [/B]
gameplay however does not mean much in a canon situation.
Nothing of what you just said backs up TGE, you just backed me up as soon as you said overpressurize the cushioning gel in their armour
No it means you can react to that speed, theres a diffrence, if you see something moving extremely slowly it means your senses are massively heightened, if a person could run at the speed of sound, but had no enhancement to their senses at all, then they would not be able to react ot incoming objects so would likely end up dead in their first sonic boom.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Nothing of what you just said backs up TGE, you just backed me up as soon as you said [b]overpressurize the cushioning gel in their armour
No, you simply took it the wrong way and placed it out of context.If the armor were so protective as you have judged, melee attacks or vehicle impacts would not scale as near to damage as a freefall from low orbit (which by the way was about 500 metres/sec vertical). SPARTAN-104 walked away with 3 cracked ribs after impact and was only unconscious for a few seconds.
Their armor was not built to withstand that kind of impact. They forced themselves to pretty much be internally crushed by their own armor's cushioning gel, and such punishment a normal human could not take. See below.
A Spartan's muscular density is about 3x the normal in a human body and carbide grafting on their bones makes them incredibly hard to break. They had a surgical catalyst placed in their nervous system as to boost reaction time by 500%, increase significantly when adrenaline is pumping. The average Spartan runs about 35 km/h, with bursts up to 55 km/h.
Yeah. They're super-human.
Case closed.
[QUOTE=11553362]Originally posted by Burning thought
No it means you can react to that speed, theres a diffrence, if you see something moving extremely slowly it means your senses are massively heightened, if a person could run at the speed of sound, but had no enhancement to their senses at all, then they would not be able to react ot incoming objects so would likely end up dead in their first sonic boom.
Reflexes determine how fast you move reacting to something (not run, move). We're talking about bullet dodging, not how fast or far he can sprint. That's an entirely different thing altogether
Your point is moot, either way. With his physical augmentations, he possesses the capability to dodge bullets, which means he can see the bullet in motion, instantly pinpoint the trajectory in his head and move out of the way accordingly, something that no normal human is able to do.
Reaction is how fast you interparate something, you can either be fast or your not, having an infnite ability to react is worthless if your attacked by someone who is FTL if you cannot actually move that speed or more yourself, so although youll likely see them moving towards you, your body would not be as fast as your perception.
When has chief dodged bullets and weapons in canon easily, has he done it on a regulour basis?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Reaction is how fast you interparate something, you can either be fast or your not, having an infnite ability to react is worthless if your attacked by someone who is FTL if you cannot actually move that speed or more yourself, so although youll likely see them moving towards you, your body would not be as fast as your perception.When has chief dodged bullets and weapons in canon easily, has he done it on a regulour basis?
It's like saying, if a projectile was moving slower than it should and can be dodged, you'd stand still and take it anyway.
He can't do it with ease, but yes he can. Period.
Considering that he doesn't exactly fight opponents that use human weaponry, don't be surprised if there aren't many bullet-dodging sequences in canon. However, he avoids Covenant projectile weaponry on a regular basis - ducking and dodging plasma bolts, etc. They're actually supposed to be faster in canon - Banshees at a range of 100m were forcing the Spartans to dodge plasma.
reaction and perception are similiar in the fact you need to be able to percieve a threat, when actually reacting towards that thread is a portion of it. By the sounds of it, Chief can percieve the threat, but whether he can actually move out of the way with ease, or with the ability you seem to think ive not seen the evidence of.
I asked when? when did he dodge bullets? I mean technically you need to be clear for me, are you saying he can dodge bullets like Neo? or like James bond?
Originally posted by Burning thought
reaction and perception are similiar in the fact you need to be able to percieve a threat, when actually reacting towards that thread is a portion of it. By the sounds of it, Chief can percieve the threat, but whether he can actually move out of the way with ease, or with the ability you seem to think ive not seen the evidence of.I asked when? when did he dodge bullets? I mean technically you need to be clear for me, are you saying he can dodge bullets like Neo? or like James bond?
This was shown in the first Halo novel right after he recieved MJOLNIR armor for the first time and they were putting it through its paces.